Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

X-Wings (possibly shortly before Saw splits from the rest of the Rebels). And maybe the B-Wing project can finally be complete (B-wings appeared in pirate hands back in Heir to the Jedi which was set only a few days (weeks?) after ANH). Perhaps U-Wings and TIE Strikers.

 

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Already aware.

 

I cannot wait for X-Wings. Keep forgetting they don't have any yet at least that we saw. I want Wedge to get in one and just own Imps and them to be like "well these ships are gonna be helpful"

 

Well, if X-Wings in Rebels is what you are hoping for I suggest going to the 10:30 mark on this video.

 

Definitely yes to both of these.

I would have loved to see TIE Strikers as the fighters Thrawn brought down to Atollan this episode as opposed to the standard TIEs. They had Death Troopers watching out for Thrawn...why not give him access to Strikers.

And Wedge and Hobbie need to find the right fighters for them and totally own any fighter engagement they are in.

 

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Like this post if you cried when she died

 

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I feel like the budget showed a little, but man, the Rebels season finale was a heck of a space battle.

 

I fully expect next season to feel the most like RO/ANH. Hell, with the Mon Cal cruiser and Dornean gunship models already created, it will have vibes of ROTJ too. X-wings, U-wings, the Profundity, and the Liberty-type MC80 will almost definitely appear. Ditto the "combat" variant of the Hammerhead-class corvette.

From the BTS gallery:



I thought there were TWO squadrons of Y-wings. Interesting that Blue Squadron's Y-wings have red markings, but they did appear different from the clearly green marked Green Squadron Y-wing that bomb the ISD.



God I love the Nebbies!



Dornean gunships in the house!

--Adm. Nick

 

Amazing to finally really see good images of the Dornean gunship, 34 years in the making!

Have we talked about the Star Destroyer heavy turbolasers being the big 8 barreled guns on rebels but being two barreled guns on Rogue One?

 

Yes, a few times. Some possible suggestions -

treat them as being "artistic licence" and imagine that "really" they're two-barrelled
have the Rogue One ships be a ISD-I variant with the Rebels ship being the mainstream model
have the Rebels models be an ISD-I variant with the Rogue One ships being the main model
retcon all references to Rebels ISDs as being ISD-II, instead of ISD-I (with TESB ones being a variant with a different tractor beam array).

 

Honestly, I'm really dying to see RO's CGI models. They added weapons to most ships in very logical places, even if the old models never actually had guns there. I want more of this.

--Adm. Nick

 

The Hammerhead, certainly - the Mel's Miniatures models demonstrated the differences. I'd like to see how it was done for the others as well, at some point.

 

isn't the only star destroyer with the upgraded octet batteries Thrawn's? besides I don't personally think it matters very much considering the different star destroyer models that were made by ILM

I sure do agree with Admiral Nick about those rogue one models, and I hope somebody finds good shots of that nebulon bridge

 

Nope - every close up of a Rebels Star Destroyer's guns has shown the octet batteries. And the ISD-II style domes (with triangular panels instead of pentagonal or hexagonal ones, plus vanes on the top) and the engines (without the triple nozzle vanes seen on all Rogue One destroyers and the ANH Devastator),

If it weren't for the targeting array on the top, there'd be almost no ISD-I traits on them at all.

 

Tbh, that's because they were drawn by Ralph McQuarrie and he based his early ESB concept art on the ones in the first film. We basically have the ANH-type with the big turrets and old globes and antennae, the Lothal-type with the barbettes, new globes and old antennae, the ESB-type with the barbettes, new globes and new antennae, as well as the ANH-refit with the turrets, old globes and new antennae (one shot in ESB).

 

Hey I'm pretty sure we saw all 3 Nebulons bite it in the episode. There were three hull liveries: yellow, red, and yellow and red (Dodonna's ship). Yellow was the one that got pulled out of hyperspace, then red bought it, and finally Dodonna's ship evacuated. I wish I could more easily track them though, the space battle was pretty tense.

EDIT: found a pic of all three present, gonna try to find screencaps of their (lamentableT-T) destructions (though I'll probably spoiler those shots)

 

Ralph McQuarrie retired before Rebels - but the Rebels artists did use one concept art pic of his



as the basis for their Star Destroyers - maybe the fact that it was actually intended for TESB wasn't relevant to them - it was McQuarrie's art, so evocative, so use it.

I've seen a theory that the antenna is collapsible - that it's in the extended position in all other shots, and the retracted position in TESB.

However, a Pablo tweet:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/696029079087091712

We know from "Shattered Empire" that Imperial II-class still exists, but is Avenger still one?
Pablo:It's supposed to be, though sometimes in ESB they use the 3-foot SD model as well as the 6-foot SD model.

seems to have been taken by Wookieepedia as meaning that the 3 ft model is being used to represent an ordinary ISD-II (especially since both models were used to represent the same ship).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrant

 

Since that's the art I'm talking about, yes. And it would be difficult for him to work on Rebels, given he died the year before the show was even conceived.

Not sure if this is meant to be the Tyrant (in front): http://i.imgur.com/tPyZTcp.png

 

Could be. The EU, unlike the newcanon, interprets the Tyrant as an Imperial-I.

On the Executor page, one of the first images near the top is that one:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor/Legends

but it doesn't say which ships they are. Possibly the Legendsverse never actually said.

The Tyrant wasn't the only Imperial-I supposed to be in Death Squadron at Hoth - so were the Accuser, the Devastator, and the Conquest.

Imperial-II's in the lineup: Avenger, Avarice, Corrupter, Stalker, and an unnamed ship that got clobbered by asteroids (maybe some of the ships joined the fleet immediately after the battle to search for the Falcon in the asteroid field, since there were no less than 20 battleship commanders for a holographic conference there - and it hasn't been confirmed that there were 19-20 ISDs in the Hoth battle itself).

 

An interesting thing I noticed in the scene where the Falcon is piggyback-riding an ISD, there's at least four ISDs and the Executor in one shot. Then in the next from inside the Falcon's cockpit, we see two more passing underneath. So at that point we have six ISDs and then a seventh that was lost in the asteroid belt before.

 

Yellow - pulled out of hyperspace and blasted first: http://i.imgur.com/Dgg0j39.jpg
Red - Destroyed at undetermined time that I cannot recall precisely: http://i.imgur.com/T5029et.jpg
Dodonna's Red and Yellow Flagship - Destroyed and evacuated (presumably last): http://i.imgur.com/2VvFd6i.jpg

 

Imperial Class II ISDs showed up only post ANH right? Cause if they where around (even only a few) I kinda wish the Executrix was one. It being the ship stationed to protect the DS would reasonably mean it would be the newest model of ISD. Then again it would be strange if the first ISD we saw was class II and not Class I. Idk just a passing thought.

That is some serious pwnage!!!!! Have Nebulon's destroyed another vessel in the New eu? They seem to just be punching bags like GR75s.

 

I don't remember if they accomplished anything in the comics or books, though one did engage in broadsides with the Executor in ROTJ and didn't come out worse for wear. All I know is that to the great annoyance of the detractors of their design (the same sort of people who complain about the ISD's bridge being so exposed), for all the times they've been destroyed, the only time they actually split from their "weak point" was in Rogue One, and that was acting as a shield for the Profundity from the Devastator's full armament, and even then it only broke at the connection of the spar and the front hull, not like a twig at the highest tension point.

 

For anybody who wants to do the calculations to compare the beam of the canon Interdictor with the ISD (1600 meters) here's a helpful image (original here: http://i.imgur.com/apQlIO4.jpg)
Eyeballing it, it looks like the Rebels Interdictor is about the size of a Venator, at least 1000m

 

Nice catch!!