Lit From Mustafar to Scarif -A State of the Galaxy Thread

Mara Jade looks like she’s holding the cosmic cube in that picture.

 

Being overpowered is kind of Galen's whole deal. If they have to significantly change a character to the point that their role could basically be filled by a brand new character, then what's the point of re canonizing them?

 

I thought the deal was because it was avideo game, and also he can be a canon inquisitor as being almost above them in fighting skill and the force, i mean the second sister seemed quite powerfull. de-power him a littleso hhe is in same league as Ahsoka Tano.

 

But your not really getting the same character, your getting a person named Galen Marek without any of (If still very limited ) character traits and story.

Again it's a waist of a character.

BINGO!

 

Well what did you think of Thrawn? They could do like what they did to him, lower the power but keep the key elements.

 

I think Galen marek would be dealt with like THrawn who is the grna dadmiral and Galen Marek as Vader's secret apprentice, wether inquisitor or not. I think it is more likley with himalmost being canon in Rebels, Thrawn was almost canon in Clone Wars but was added later in Rebels. I think same will happen to Galen. He like Thrawn and Revan are the more likley to become canon. Mara and others little to no chance.

 

No they didn't Thrawn is still at the end of the day very much the same character he was in Heir to the Empire...Genius Imperial who is a alien, likes art ....I think you are overstating what "Power Levels" are then.

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If anything Mara has a better chance still.

Revan I kinda like the idea of him just being a mystery but not really ever really appearing.

And Galen at this point the window has really closed on him and the idea of Vader having a secret apprentice at all seems to be kinda mute at this point...And honestly the secret apprentice thing was always a dumb idea to begin with.

 

Mara is Lukes wife. That is her most well known factor. Which makes her VERY unlikely to ever appear.

 

Then she wasn't a great character to begin with if being someone wife is HER ONLY best trait.

 

I’m reasonably confident Revan’s going to become fully canonised before Starkiller or Mara.

 

Revan is somewhat canon, Mara i see being the one who don't become canon as GL dislikes her and her being with Luke. I can see a new character being introduced as an assassin and has the favor of the emperor. I think Galen being Vader's secret apprentice works fine when you learn that Vader and Palpatine uses him to gather his enemies in one place and he can execute them. I think a new story could work the same he kills some jedi, Vader wants the rbellion to show themself and gather and only Galen stands between their fates and Darth Vader. This could happen anytime bedore AHN. Wether this time he dies or not this is another matter, i could see him being given a new game, he's very popular still.

 

Unforutantly Galen's story has more or less been used up already.

It's called Star Wars Rebels.

Down to a blind Jedi.

 

I don't ever think she was a good character.

I also said WELL KNOW. If people know of Mara they know of her as Lukes wife, ex-assassin is her second trait, a distant second.

 

Has it though or just some similar stuff happenned, the blind jedi he blinds probaly woundt be alive long only a small cameo. IF he was supposed to be in Rebels i don't see that show taking his story away. Like what happenned to the inquisitors past season 2 of rebels as we know more of them existed, what was Vader doing during season 3 and 4 of rebels. Could Galen have killed the last of the inquisitors and fought Darh Vader. Maybe the leaders of the rebellion must escape the sith lord before Mothma gives her speech. <I think alot could happen during the few years before AHN and during rebels.

 

I really doubt that's gonna happen and i kinda won't want it to.

Leave Galen as a thing of legends honestly....I don't think he's a great fit for NuCanon nor was a great fit for Legends in all honesty.

Force Unleashed was never a great story to begin with.

 

If not make him canon, use him to make another character that has ties to Darth vader, be him his apprentice or an inquisitor. i think a jedi hunter who may reject the sith and join the rebellion is a good arc for a character. Also there are rumors a force unleashed game coming.

 

Honestly if I a character's most defining feature is their power level then that hardly seems like a character at all. Particularly since he could easily be strong without going "break the setting" level strong.

In particular, you could focus on Galen's origins as the forbidden love child of two jedi, his relationship with Vader as a failed replacement son Vader ultimately discards, or his larger plotline about being a fake defector who becomes attached to the rebels and ends up defecting for real?

And on that note, it is even more reductionist to reduce Mara to just being Luke's wife. Might as well call Han nothing more than Leia's husband. She could be a secret agent anti-hero type like how she is in her younger appearances. You could do a lot with her whole thing about trying to find a purpose in life after the fall of the empire, and how she rose up in the ranks of the underworld (particularly if, as a surviving inquisitor, she is dodging the New Republic and potential war crimes charges). Her own kind of emotional journey from imperial loyalist to jedi.

Come to think of it, I could even see them work well together - a team of inquisitors sent undercover as fake jedi to gather info on the rebellion, only to find they like being heroes rather than enforcers and spies, and end up defecting for real, maybe even sacrificing their lives for the cause.

 

Agreed.

I'm honestly someone whose like if you can't bring the core of the character and what makes them special then honestly make a new character.

I mean sure I'd like Garm Be Iblis to be canon and honestly shocked they didn't do it...but Saw Gerraw now fills the role Garm once placed.

 

Oh i agree if you can't make a similar character and right now we don't really have one, so lets make a new one, maybe earlier in the timeline so they can play around a little bit.

 

I know it sounds bad to reduce Mara to just being "Luke's Wife" instead of a character in her own right. But even though she has appeared in solo adventures, most of her well known stories focus on how the character relates to Luke. (Either as a former assassin struggling with a compulsion to kill him, or on their relationship). You could definitely tell stories about a former Imperial assassin/inquisitor, but without that connection to Luke I think she would seem morel like an imitation of Mara. (Like how Dash Rendar is a discount Han Solo).

I agree Rebels basically took the important parts of Thrawn's character. I suppose they could do something similar for Galen Marek. But what do fans remember the most about Galen? Is it his tragic tale of being used by Vader but overcoming this to help form the Rebellion? Or is it that time he pulled a Star Destroyer out of the sky?

I don't think he's a *bad* character mind you. Making him a little less powerful wouldn't be the same as, say, removing Thrawn's fondness for art. Powers are not a character trait. But it's one of the more memorable things about him.

 

I think the problem is that Galen is a game mechanic before he is a well rounded character.

It's almost like the problem of making Revan "Canon" since Revan while more of a character is mostly based around the choices YOU the player make, that's the fun of being Revan...You the player are Revan...Oh sure you have the backstory but once that's all done everything else is The Player...Same with Metra

Thrawn being a book character is at least a well more rounded individual and supplementary books (No matter how you feel) have expanded on his backstory and motivations.

Mara I think you are right is very much connected to Luke but I think even she has a bit more of her own character than just being "Luke's Wife" she's a former imperial agent who lost it all, rebuilt it and even came out of it being a better person in the end.

 

They can probably get around the whole player character angle with Revan.

If they use a narrative device in the rumoured KOTOR remake to essentially have it be an in-universe story, they can get away with Revan’s story not being a solid and nailed down thing. Characters around a campfire arguing about details like “I heard Darth Revan was a man!” “No no, I heard Darth Revan was a woman,” or “I heard Darth Revan found redemption” “the story I was told was that Darth Revan regained lost memories and rebuilt the Sith”.

Basically if they get ahead of it and clarify that what the player is experiencing isn’t the cold hard factual story of Revan then I think they’ll be fine.

 

I know a lot of people who want that and I honestly can't blame them and I totally would be down for that.

Make Revan and kinda the whole KOTOR story a Legend with the Canon....I'd be down.

 

This is simply not true. Mara's popularity soared long before Hand of Thrawn. There is a reason she is the most recurring EU character in the Bantam era.
That said, my preference would be that she NOT return. I'm generally not a fan of new versions of an existing character. Nobody asked me, though.
And although the conversation has mostly moved on from here, I will add that I agree with the prevailing opinion that Canon Xizor is all but an inevitability.

 

When it comes to Mara, I think ultimately I see it like ...well, I consider myself an individual who has merit and value outside of being my wife’s husband. But at the same time, that relationship is a huge part of who I am and I would say is an integral part of my identity.

But the pros and cons are a moot point, because I get the impression that Lucasfilm really doesn’t want to go through the hassle of reintroducing her because of the all the baggage, in terms of how it relates vis-a-vis the Canon Skywalker Saga vs the Legends one. Plus, Lucas really didn’t like her, so that might impact Filoni’s own actions if the call were up to him.