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ST General Hux/Domhnall Gleeson Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Pro Scoundrel , Jan 3, 2020.

  1. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Hux is a petty jerk who hates Kylo Ren, that tracks with him being a petty jerk who hates Kylo Ren from TFA
     
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  2. Samuel Vimes

    Samuel Vimes Force Ghost star 4

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    To me, Hux had potential in TFA.

    Not terribly deep but he was the Tarkin analogue.
    While Tarkin was ice, Hux was fire.
    He was more of a fanatic, also he was younger and so less experienced than Tarkin.
    He also differed in that Tarkin got along fine with Vader while he and Kylo did not see eye to eye.

    I think TLJ did the character a huge disservice by making him both a total idiot and the butt of a lot of jokes.
    Hux was impossible to take seriously after TLJ.
    I get why, Hux had to be a total idiot otherwise the Resistance would get wiped out ten minutes in and we would have no movie.

    That he was the mole does fit to some extent.
    I saw Hux as loyal to Snoke but now Kylo has killed Snoke and taken his place.
    So while on the one hand, the FO is winning, to Hux, that victory is ashes in his mouth as he has to bow and scrape before Kylo.
    An usurper that killed the real leader.
    So Hux life now is miserable and the only joy he can find is trying to make sure that Kylo looses.
    Then he gets killed.
    I think that they might have made it so that Hux realized that he could not explain this away and he would get executed for treason.
    So he asks that they kill him and not just wound him. To spare him the shame and agony of an execution.

    Had TLJ not made Hux into such an utter fool, you could have the third film have some sort of civil war within the FO.
    Hux and other Snoke loyalists refuse to recognize Kylo as leader and fight him.
    While others follow Kylo.

    Bye for now.
    The Guarding Dark
     
  3. obi-arin-kenobi

    obi-arin-kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Domhnall Gleesons two best moments imo

    From entering the room. With hand on blaster.



    The latter dialogue between Finn and Poe demonstrates the inherent issue I have with JJ speak in that all the characters speak the same and imo just ramble off for the sake of a laugh, though, again imo, it is not funny because it is not clever and it comes off out of character and forced.

    Contrast that to gleesons brilliant delivery.
     
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  4. Jo Lucas

    Jo Lucas Jedi Master star 4

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    Hux should have had the role of Pryde in the third movie. It would fulfill his arc, I think.
     
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  5. dagenspear

    dagenspear Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think Hux wouldn't be that similar to Pryde, characterization wise.
     
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  6. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think if we went straight from the role of Hux in TFA to the role of Pryde in TROS, the character’s requirements and role wouldn’t change enough to replace him with Pryde...

    ...But the slapstick and more mocking nature of TLJ towards Hux and the First Order as a whole probably encouraged Abrams to introduce a new military antagonist who could return to the bluntly pragmatic and professional attitude he’d had Hux originally display before TLJ.

    Pryde’s attitude is very much like Hux in TFA, while Abrams actually maintained the more sniveling and ineffectual characterization that TLJ introduced for Hux.
     
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  7. dagenspear

    dagenspear Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Though I also think there's a split difference with Hux in TROS. I think Hux isn't that sniveling. I think the comedic-ness is reared back, mostly.

    The Hux thing, and I think I've said before, speaks to my issue with TLJ and it's something I see as frustrating: I agree with what I think Rian sees in TFA in some things. I think Hux is over the top. I think it's lame to have a Palpatine knockoff. But I think Rian leans into all of that, far more, than what I prefer now: Showing the characters as villains, in their own way.
     
  8. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    See, the only moment in TFA where Hux goes over the top is in a hate-filled, “Triumph Of The Will”-inspired speech before her murders billions of people.

    I kind of feel like if someone found that *just* funny and over-the-top, than they’re just not cut out to write the military plot of Star Wars, period. Not that you can’t find it moderately funny and over-the-top still - just that the main overriding thing should be “Oh damn, this dude’s really evil and enjoys it.”

    And that was the only scene where Gleeson hammed it up in TFA - otherwise, he’s doing the same thing Grant does in TROS in terms of maintaining a professional and no-nonsense, except arguably even more restrained, since Gleason is going for more of a soft-spoken sadist half the time.

    And I mean, I *like* the speech in TFA as a bad guy moment, and I kind fo think the reaction against it is bizarre - though not as bizarre as Johnson deciding to make everything about the character be a parody of Imperial Officers from the OT. And it’s not like Johnson wasn’t capable fo making a no-nonsense professional - hell, that Captain Cannady is basically just TFA-style Hux in demeanor, with Johnson bizarrely trying to contrast his Hux with him.
     
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  9. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    He was an awful character in my opinion... and the casting reflected Lucasfilm’s (seemingly) wish to populate the new films with much younger characters (outside of Han, Leia etc.). I think Hux would have faired better, as a character, if played by an actor whom could bring more gravitas and a sense of threat e.g. a Gabriel Byrne, Jared Harris type.
     
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  10. MaverickJedi85

    MaverickJedi85 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Should have died in TLJ.
     
  11. Palp_Faction

    Palp_Faction Force Ghost star 4

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    I never took the character seriously from his first scene onwards. He just reminded me of a sadistic school prefect. He'd have been no one in the Empire. Piett or Ozzel would have had him scrubbing the decks. Having said that, I think IX could have made him into a serious character for once if Hux had led a military coup against Kylo. His character never really went anywhere unfortunately.
     
  12. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    I remember thinking he was going to be cast as Luke's son.

    Oh those were the days. lol
     
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  13. Lobot's Wig

    Lobot's Wig Jedi Knight star 4

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    Hugs Skywalker
     
  14. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Ha... I remember that speculation. Oh for a time when everything seemed possible...
     
  15. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    Is it just me, or did Hux look more Sith like in TLJ, particularly the opening scenes? His face looked much more lined than it did in TFA, his eyes much baggier.

    It sorta reminded me of Piett looking older, whiter, and sicker as ESB goes on and everyone around him is getting strangled. You can see the stress on his face. Colley did a fine, subtle acting job selling that idea. If the same was meant for Hux, that would be something.