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  1. CloneBlooper

    CloneBlooper Jedi Grand Master star 1

    Dec 20, 2002
    I believe it started off as a visual nod and wink to Kurosawa’s Yojimbo, and then it just evolved into a GFFA trope.


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  2. Subtext Mining

    Subtext Mining Jedi Master star 4

    Apr 27, 2016
    In the novel Dark Rendezvous, Dooku and Yoda duel for their second time since Geonosis. I can't recall any specific details of their dialogues, but they talk to each other quite a bit in the novel.

    And, other than being a piece of cinematic history, I think having Yoda duel Dooku in Episode II sets up two important aspects of the story to come. It foreshadows the Master vs. Apprentice gone-bad duel we'll see in Episode III. And it also helps give us a measuring stick as to just how powerful Anakin became when he tapped into the dark side and made fairly quick work of Dooku, while with Yoda, it was a stalemate.
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  3. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 29, 2000

    Yoda & Dooku in DR is basically Jesus and Satan; Yoda agrees to try to let Dooku turn him to the dark side.

    As it turns out dark side Yoda is so damn scary that Dooku is literally terrified and doesn't go through with it.
  4. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Grand Master star 4

    May 1, 2014
    Biggs tells Porkins to eject, but what would protect him in space when he ejects?
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  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Wacky Wednesday Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

    Sep 2, 2012
    I believe the Legendsverse went with "force fields in the suit or the ejector seat".
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  6. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 3

    Apr 14, 2018
    There were full-face helmets designed for the Rebel pilots at one point, with large visors to show their eyes inside the helmets, but they were rejected in favor of open helmets showing the actors' whole faces, while keeping the TIE pilots in full-face helmets. It was a deliberate cinematic choice that emphasizes the individuality of the Rebels vs. the inhumanity of the Empire.

    Science? Physics? What are those? ;)
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  7. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Grand Master star 4

    May 1, 2014
    Is it just my eyes, but does the skirt on Vaders helmet seem shorter when we see him first enter the rebel base on Hoth and also when Admrial Piett tells him that the Emperor wants him to make contact when they're in the asteroid field?
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  8. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Wacky Wednesday Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

    Sep 2, 2012
    I don't know about shorter, but I'd say it's sometimes set lower. When Vader's in the mediation chamber, it seems like the bottom of the helmet brushes his shoulders:

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  9. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Admin & TV Screaming Service star 9 Staff Member Administrator

    Aug 19, 2003
    And then he would land safely on the surface of the Death Star until his squad successfully blow it up. This guy can't catch a break.
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  10. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

    Oct 30, 2015
    That sounds like a typical retcon or the EU trying to fix obvious oversights in the movies. Maybe Lucas picked that phrase up watching old war movies, and thought it sounded "cool"? He certainly didn't gave it much logical thought. "Eject" in deep space to WHAT? To land WHERE? He also must have forgotten - full-head helmets or not - that parachutes don't work in vacuum. [face_laugh]
    While we are at it, here is another thing in the battle of Yavin that never made much sense to me. In that briefing room in the temple the pilots are told to approach the target shaft head-on, at a 90° angle. That would seem pretty logical to me. But even THAT was considered hard or "impossible, even for a computer".
    But when they do attack they have to approach it by flying through a trench along the surface, the target shaft being located at the bottom of which, and the reactor shaft being at a right angle to their flight path, not directly ahead. Impossible to fly along the trench at a high speed and fire those torpedoes into the opening at a right angle. The Rebels would have to leave the trench, fly up for a certain distance, then dive down again after a 180° turn in order to fire into it. As is shown in the computer model of the DS, the shaft goes straight down from the surface vertically to connect directly to the main reactor at the center of the DS - no corners, bends or curves there. But we never saw them do that. The novelization confirms that.
    So what was the goal of the whole approach? Firing torpedoes right into the shaft or some kind of basketball or golf game in space? [face_rofl]
    The torpedoes are shown flying in a curve and then somehow manage to "fall" into the shaft - or wait... is it a "plot hole" the missiles are actually falling into? 8-}
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