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  1. CloneBlooper

    CloneBlooper Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    I believe it started off as a visual nod and wink to Kurosawa’s Yojimbo, and then it just evolved into a GFFA trope.

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  2. Subtext Mining

    Subtext Mining Jedi Master star 4

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    In the novel Dark Rendezvous, Dooku and Yoda duel for their second time since Geonosis. I can't recall any specific details of their dialogues, but they talk to each other quite a bit in the novel.

    And, other than being a piece of cinematic history, I think having Yoda duel Dooku in Episode II sets up two important aspects of the story to come. It foreshadows the Master vs. Apprentice gone-bad duel we'll see in Episode III. And it also helps give us a measuring stick as to just how powerful Anakin became when he tapped into the dark side and made fairly quick work of Dooku, while with Yoda, it was a stalemate.
     
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  3. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yoda & Dooku in DR is basically Jesus and Satan; Yoda agrees to try to let Dooku turn him to the dark side.

    As it turns out dark side Yoda is so damn scary that Dooku is literally terrified and doesn't go through with it.
     
  4. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Biggs tells Porkins to eject, but what would protect him in space when he ejects?
     
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  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Wacky Wednesday Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I believe the Legendsverse went with "force fields in the suit or the ejector seat".
     
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  6. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    There were full-face helmets designed for the Rebel pilots at one point, with large visors to show their eyes inside the helmets, but they were rejected in favor of open helmets showing the actors' whole faces, while keeping the TIE pilots in full-face helmets. It was a deliberate cinematic choice that emphasizes the individuality of the Rebels vs. the inhumanity of the Empire.

    Science? Physics? What are those? ;)
     
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  7. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Is it just my eyes, but does the skirt on Vaders helmet seem shorter when we see him first enter the rebel base on Hoth and also when Admrial Piett tells him that the Emperor wants him to make contact when they're in the asteroid field?
     
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  8. Iron_lord

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    I don't know about shorter, but I'd say it's sometimes set lower. When Vader's in the mediation chamber, it seems like the bottom of the helmet brushes his shoulders:


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  9. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Casualty star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    And then he would land safely on the surface of the Death Star until his squad successfully blow it up. This guy can't catch a break.
     
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  10. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    That sounds like a typical retcon or the EU trying to fix obvious oversights in the movies. Maybe Lucas picked that phrase up watching old war movies, and thought it sounded "cool"? He certainly didn't gave it much logical thought. "Eject" in deep space to WHAT? To land WHERE? He also must have forgotten - full-head helmets or not - that parachutes don't work in vacuum. [face_laugh]
    While we are at it, here is another thing in the battle of Yavin that never made much sense to me. In that briefing room in the temple the pilots are told to approach the target shaft head-on, at a 90° angle. That would seem pretty logical to me. But even THAT was considered hard or "impossible, even for a computer".
    But when they do attack they have to approach it by flying through a trench along the surface, the target shaft being located at the bottom of which, and the reactor shaft being at a right angle to their flight path, not directly ahead. Impossible to fly along the trench at a high speed and fire those torpedoes into the opening at a right angle. The Rebels would have to leave the trench, fly up for a certain distance, then dive down again after a 180° turn in order to fire into it. As is shown in the computer model of the DS, the shaft goes straight down from the surface vertically to connect directly to the main reactor at the center of the DS - no corners, bends or curves there. But we never saw them do that. The novelization confirms that.
    So what was the goal of the whole approach? Firing torpedoes right into the shaft or some kind of basketball or golf game in space? [face_rofl]
    The torpedoes are shown flying in a curve and then somehow manage to "fall" into the shaft - or wait... is it a "plot hole" the missiles are actually falling into? 8-}
     
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  11. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Saga / WNU Manager -King of the North star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    By RL analogy, the F-111 ejected the entire sealed cockpit. So conceivably, the ejection seat in an X-Wing was its own escape pod with emergency survival gear.

    I tend to remember a Legends era book, where Luke's X-Wing broke down and was floating in space for a time, and there was some discussion of this. Of course, I may be imagining that.
     
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  12. Iron_lord

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    By RL analogy, the F-111 ejected the entire sealed cockpit. So conceivably, the ejection seat in an X-Wing was its own escape pod with emergency survival gear.

    I tend to remember a Legends era book, where Luke's X-Wing broke down and was floating in space for a time, and there was some discussion of this. Of course, I may be imagining that.[/QUOTE]
    Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire had a scene along those lines.
     
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  13. Bazinga'd

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    Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire had a scene along those lines.[/QUOTE]

    I was thinking it was in the Zahn's trilogy, but couldnt remember. Thanks
     
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  14. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    Mara Jade ejects from a Z-95 Headhunter cockpit in the finale of Dark Force Rising. It evidently isn't all that safe to do so, because she ends up with "minor brain damage" and literally has to have parts of her synapses rewired before she wakes up from a medically induced coma in The Last Command.
     
  15. Iron_lord

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    I think it wasn't just that she'd ejected, but that she'd ejected into ion cannon fire (and shrapnel):


    By chance—or perhaps last—second instinct her crippled fighter was aimed almost directly at the first Star Destroyer s hangar entry port. If she could coax a little more power out of the auxiliary maneuvering system …
    It took more than a little coaxing, but when she finally gripped the eject loop again she had the satisfaction of knowing that even in death the Z-95 would take a minor bit of revenge on the Empire's war machine. Not much, but a little.
    She pulled down on the loop, and an instant later was slammed hard into her seat as explosive bolts blew the canopy clear and catapulted her out of the ship. She got a quick glimpse of the Star Destroyer's portside edge, an even quicker glimpse of a TIE fighter whipping past—
    And suddenly there was an agonized squeal from the ejection seat's electronics, and the violent crackle of arcing circuits … and with a horrible jolt Mara realized that she had made what might very well be the last mistake of her life. Intent on aiming her crippled Z-95 at the Star Destroyer's hangar bay, she had drifted too close to the giant ship and ejected directly into the path of the Dreadnaughts' ion beam bombardment.
    And in that single crackle of tortured electronics she had lost everything. Her comm, her lights, her limited maneuvering jets, her life support regulator, her emergency beacons.
    Everything.
    For a second her thoughts flickered to Skywalker. He'd been lost in deep space, too, awhile back.
    But she'd had a reason to find him. No one had a similar reason to find her.
    A flaming TIE fighter roared past her and exploded. A large piece of shrapnel glanced off the ceramic armor that wrapped partially around her shoulders, slamming her head hard against the side of the headrest.
    And as she fell into the blackness, she saw the Emperor's face before her. And knew that she had again failed him.

     
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  16. StoneRiver

    StoneRiver Force Ghost star 4

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    Quick question here as I don't know where else to ask and I don't think it warrants a thread.

    When was it established (retconned?) that humans in the GFFA can understand the beeps and whistles of droids?

    In ANH C-3PO translates R2-D2 for Luke around the time he stumbles across the recording of Leia, yes?
    I always understood that Luke had a translator in his X-wing to enable communication between pilot and astromech.
    I interpreted the exchanges between Luke and R2 on Dagobah in TESB as not real conversations and more Luke just saying the stuff he thought with R2 beeping in reply even though he knows he won't be understood.
    I don't recall anywhere in the PT where a human had a conversation with a droid that doesn't use words.

    Or do I have all this wrong and humans have always been able to conversate with non verbal droids in the GFFA? (eg. Poe has a proper conversation with BB-8)
     
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  17. Iron_lord

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    Obi-Wan appears to be talking to Artoo when he first finds an unconscious Luke - Artoo beeps, and Obi-Wan responds with "He'll be all right".

    Come here, my little friend. Don't be afraid.
    [Beep Blip Blip]
    Oh, don't worry. He'll be all right.
     
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  18. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    I think certain sounds might be common knowledge to people, like sounds expressing worry, sadness, annoyance, happiness, etc... It's meant to be understood by the audience as well. It's like a dog.

    But to actually exchange information they need something to translate. 3PO translates R2's messages to people, multiple times. And we see R2's messages being displayed to Anakin and Luke on their ships.
     
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  19. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Saga / WNU Manager -King of the North star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Droids was a mandatory language requirement at the Jedi Temple.
     
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  20. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 8

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    Just like Groot was an elective at Asgard U.
     
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  21. ScorpioGirl

    ScorpioGirl Jedi Knight star 3

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    So, on a TVTropes page (Kes Dameron's TV tropes character page, specifically), it says that "Poe later commented that Kes became disillusioned by the ineffectiveness of the New Republic and the rise of the First Order" does anyone know when/where Poe says that? 'Cause I don't remember reading that anywhere.
     
  22. Jar-Jar Binks

    Jar-Jar Binks Force Ghost star 7

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    How long can I go just post madly?
     
  23. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Actually power levels don’t work in SW. Dooku takes out Obi in that same duel, Anakin beats Dooku, then Obi beats Anakin/Vader? Its all plot relevance related; whatever furthers the plot.
     
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