Grievous knew about Order 66

Nice idea, but it can't be true. Here's why...

General Grievous does NOT know that Palpatine is Sidious. The clone wars cartoon backs this up. The ROTS novel backs this up. It's clear in the movie that he is just another separatist leader. He is completely unaware that Sidious is the leader of both sides in the war.

The only way Grievous would know that Order 66 existed and/or was coming is if he knew that Palpy is sids. He would need to realize that Sidious is in charge of the republic military (i.e. he is Palpatine). Probably nobody except Palpatine, the clones, and (maybe) Dooku knew of order 66 ever being discussed and set up. Because Grievous was just another pawn in the Darth Sidious game of manipulation, Sidious would never tell him such critical information. If he doesn't trust Grievous enough to let him know that he's Palpatine, he wouldn't let him know about his specific plan to kill all of the Jedi knights in that specific way.

 

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but it's possible that Grievouse knew that Sidious would soon wipe out the Jedi, even if he was shaky on the specifics.

 

I just took it as Grevious's own inflated opinion of himself. "You FOOL, I was trained in your Jedi-Arts by Count Dooku!" He believes that he can destroy Kenobi.
But, sure, I guess he COULD have known about O66

 

I would bet everything that Grievous had no knowledge whatsoever of Order 66. That is way too sensitive information to be sharing. In fact, the only persons I believe who know of Order 66, besides the clones, was Sidious and then eventually Anavader. I believe wholeheartedly not even Dooku knew of the preprogrammed order. He was on a need-to-know basis and he wasn't a part of that plan. No need to risk sharing information with two players Sidious planned on seeing killed and only had them serve as temporary means to an end.

 

There was no need for anyone who isn't Darth Sidious or a Clone to know the specifics of Order 66 and for others to know about this plot could jeopardize it. I do however, believe quite strongly that Sidious had provided convincing information to General Greivous and the Separatist leaders that he had a plan to deal and destroy the Jedi specifically. Although GG and the CIS didn't know that Sidious WAS Palpatine, they did know that Sidious had a great deal of control over the Senate and were promised that victory was certain. Technically, because Palps/Sids was playing both sides, victory WAS certain and the CIS were understandably confident. But then again, they should have realized by now that a deal with a Sith is unlikely to benefit anyone but the Sith.

 

There was no need for anyone who isn't Darth Sidious or a Clone to know the specifics of Order 66 and for others to know about this plot could jeopardize it.

Bingo. That is exactly it and I completely agree with that statement.

 

"They'll do their job, I'll guarantee you that."

I'd like to think that dear ol' Clone Daddy Jango had some inkling of what was to come. It would certainly put a whole new spin on that line.

 

He'll guarantee it not because of knowledge of Order 66 but because he's confident in his own abilities in what he's done in the past and what he thinks he'll do to Obi-Wan, as well as for the fact because the whole army is him.

 

Yes, I have had a feeling for a while that ol' Jango knew a bit more about the clone army then he let on.

But I don't think Grievous knew about Order 66. He was moreso acting MUHUHAHAHA! as others have said. The only ones who knew about it were Lord Vader , Sidious, the Kaminoans (they would have had to to program the order into their clone training) and perhaps Mas Amedda and Sly Moore. Grievous would have had to go - he was a symbol of the Confederacy. As well, once he realised that he was betrayed by the Dark Lord, he would become very dangerous indeed... especially if he cornered Poggle the Lesser and San Hill about his transferral to a cyborg body. I don't think that he would be pleased to find out that he'd been a tool all this time - he'd probably go berserk, and with the Droid Army under his control and no Sidious to answer too... he would become too uncontrollable and unpredictable. He was not in the loop and had to go regardless, or else things could get messy.

 

The only ones to know were Sidious, Tyranus, Jango, the Kaminoans and the Clone Army.

 

nobody can say for sure that Grievous does not know, and they can also not say definitively that he does . and why would Dooku know? of order66, is he Syfo Dyas?, do we know that he was the one who ordered the clones?. Grievous knowing is not the same as Tyrannus knowing, Dooku was meant to be replaced and disposed of . Grievous was a tool, a weapon. if ObiWan did not kill him , he would still have been of use to sideous. It is completely logical that Grievous' statement "Army or not, you must realize you are doomed", could very well be literal truth. Grievous may very well know that the Clones he is fighting against will be the very army that will destroy the Jedi. I believe that it is possible he say's this to ObiWan , because he has no fear of losing the war , because he knows there is an endgame in play. If Tyrannus can know that the Dark lord of the sith controls the Senate , then Grievous could also have critical knowledge.

And as for Jango knowing about order66, there is absolutely no reason that the donor for the Clones would have any knowledge of this hidden order.this is less plausible than the General leading the Army (grievous) not knowing.

 

Good Point!

I never thought of it that way!

I always thought his line of: "Army or not, you must realize you are DOOMED!" was a bit foolhardy but if he KNEW Obi-Wan's clones were going to turn soon it makes PERFECT sense.

 

Just wondering d-s, but how do we know that Jango or Tyrannus know? Why would either of them need to know?

 

Yoshi, I know you weren't asking me, but it makes sense that Jango and the Kaminoans would know, the OS says Order 66 was instiled in the Clones during their training on Kamino.

*~*Ti*~*

 

I cant see how grievous could possibly know about order 66 its ridicilous

Sidious was acting like he wanted to get rid of him

Whenever sidious communicates with grevious and grevious is mourning his master and tells the darklord of the sith that they must get revenge , Sidious scrapes it off and tells him that the war will be over soon and that he will find a new aprentice

bascically telling him that your death meat !

 

Why would he have known about it? It makes no sense for him to. He did not know Palps was Sidious as just about any canon material would show.

 

Yoshi, I know you weren't asking me, but it makes sense that Jango and the Kaminoans would know, the OS says Order 66 was instiled in the Clones during their training on Kamino.

I know you were'nt askin me , but it makes no sense for Jango or Dooku to know. 1. Jango is the Host , the source of DNA . there is nothing in the PT that indicates that he has intimate knowledge of what the Clones are ultimately used for. he does not care what they are used for, only that he gets paid well.
2. Dooku should not know , because his whole life as a Sith is to be Anakin's ascention into the Sith. he is a Device to turn Anakin, and a useful weapon . for a while.

I do believe that The Kaminoans know , because they have to imprint it into the clones DNA. and as i have explained it is possible that Grievous being the leader of the Seps army , would know for strategic reasons. It is more likely Grievous knows than Jango or Dooku. IMO.

 

Yeah, I don't see why Jango would know.

 

I gotta say, I always took it that the only people to know about Order 66 was Sidious and the Kamino. I never believed the clones actually knew about it. I think it was more like someone flicking a switch with the clones, almost like turning a light on. Why would anyone leave such sensitive information with something which is regarded as docile. Which brings me to fact it always irritated me that the Jedi never used the jedi mind trick when attacked by thoughs weak minded fools.....but thats a different subject.

 

Yea, but Jango did train some clones. He trained the ARC Troopers. So obviously he knew at least something about the clon training.

*~*Ti*~*

 

You know I would all most agree,I think Grevious knew somewhat of Palpatine`s plan or why else would Palpatine tell him he`d have a new aprentice to win the war?

 

it makes sense.

 

I don't think so. Grievous was a pawn who trained to kill jedi knights.