ST Hayden Christensen (Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader) in IX

Agreed. But I do see where Luke or Anakin could be an exception. As being a force ghost could be the next step into their enlightenment (force power) as either could be considered the chosen one.

 

That can be solved by adding consequence for intervention. If a ghost intervenes, they lose their ability to retain their conscious and physical form. If this is the last time the Skywalker family will be in it, then a finality to Anakin and Luke can work.

 

I think it would have been better to give Luke a character arc in the ST where he discovers how to interact with the material world as a FG. That way you don’t have the issue of why previous FG’s haven’t done it, and you give Luke some much needed transcendence and let him complete his mission.

I mean you could have had FG Luke kicking real-world Snoke’s ass in IX.

 

I just do not see JJ caring about the chosen one prophecy. this isn't the star wars he grew up with. its very much a late addition.

 

even if, he must have Anakin play a role.

 

Lucas, time after time: Anakin is the Chosen One
Disney/JJ/TROS: Whatever old man, eff off. We're undoing your entire 6 film saga. Palps magically survived being hit with his own force lightning, thrown down a reactor shaft and came out from a DS explosion unscathed.

At this point with the leaks, I don't think I want to see what they would do with Anakin anymore.

 

Considering they consulted Lucas on this I'm hoping there is an explanation.

 

Ugh, that comment puts a damper on my hopes for Anakin's portrayal in the Skywalker saga.

 

Han couldn't turn Ben back to the light, Rey couldn't turn Ben, neither could Luke. It's so unlikely that Leia will without using a CGI Leia. That leaves Anakin...

But if one person can't do it, may be the combination of Anakin, Luke and Han could. Though that wouldn't go down well with KK's feminist agenda if what some are saying is true, an all male Greek chorus of Force Ghosts and a projected vision of a non-Force sensitive.



But if Anakin were to face Palpatine in the Netherworld...this would be an interesting look.

 

Anakin's still the Chosen One, guys, Abrams hasn't changed that.

Rey & Ben are just special in a different type of way, which hell, considering their respective origins only makes sense.

 

It depends on how committed he is to tying the entire saga together. He will include the PT and something as important as the prophecy if he is true to his word.

The D23 trailer (or whatever you call the video they released with dark side Rey) had Anakin in it, hmmmm……

Nah, no reason to be doomie and gloomie yet. After all, Daisy and John Williams both said fans will love the ending!

This movie will ROCK!!!

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I believe only someone strong enough in the Force could retain their identity within the Force after death in the old EU canon. That would limit the idea of anyone within SW history from popping up at every major moment. Also, that would serve to provide an explanation for whether or not a Force Ghost can affect the physical plane as Yoda did in TLJ.

 

I hope so. I so badly want it to rock.



I'm still afraid of Anakin either not showing up or being given a token cameo, I don't know which is worse. I'd also like to see him face off against Palpatine, helping Rey Skywalker and company. Preferably without the other Force ghosts, as he needs to stand out as the Chosen One.

While I don't think that Palpatine surviving would hypothetically undo Anakin's arc in the Lucas saga, I also think he needs to play a key role (not necessarily the only role) in Palpatine's second and hopefully final defeat. He is the Chosen One, and has been the main character of the Lucas saga. Star Wars is really Anakin's series, and the ST owes it to Lucas to recognize that at the very least.

I want Han to be given another appearance, but making him a Force ghost would be ridiculous in my opinion. There are other ways to give him screentime, and even have him influence the plot outside of being in flashbacks.

 

When I say anyone, I mean any major force sensitive character. That none of the actual main characters ever die, they just go a bit see-through on screen. But more than that, they can turn up anywhere at any time at will, and also it seems not just present their 'essence' but can affect the real world too. It causes a massive problem for storytelling. It's a bit like having a superhero who can just click their fingers and put right anything wrong, you can't make a compelling story about anything because nothing matters where anything can be put right.
Similar situation here. If any major force sensitive character from history can pop up at any point and change things, then at any point in the future we have to ask...why didn't Luke come back and change that, why didn't Yoda come back and just tell them that critical bit of information.
I feel they've opened a massive can of worms with force ghosts, unless they flesh out some serious restrictions on them.

 

I agree consequence may be a route around this problem, but it seems too arbitrary a solution. Also, given that we've seen force ghosts turn up in the past just for the feels, it seems unlikely that there would be a 'Force Ghost Police Force' monitoring them and slapping down penalties for intervening in the physical world. Sounds a bit like in Harry Potter where young wizards/witches would get reprimanded for using magic under-age. It feels like it would be a bit too much of a forced solution in the SW world.
I think a more believable way could be if force ghosts have no choice about when/where they turn up, that it's actually the will of the force which determines it.

 

I see a lot of people with similar opinions to this, but I don't see any of that being true IMO.
I don't see any of the old films being written off at all, more that they're expanding the universe and in doing so tying things together which does affect the older films, but they are still consistent. The old films to me are being enhanced by the new films.
Also, I don't think many are suggesting Palpy survives. More that either he's there through hologram recordings, or he's there as a powerful force ghost continuing to bring his influence. But his bodily form didn't survive.
Also also, I do believe the story is that of Anakin. He is the chosen one, and his story along with the prophesy to bring balance to the force will be what ties it all together by the end of this movie, trilogy and 9 part story arc.

 

Oooh that's interesting! I always thought Qui-gon didn't get fleshed out in the films the way he should have. He was presented more as a statesman who happened to have a lightsaber than an impressive Jedi. I would like to see him actually be a bad-ass powerful jedi master in some way.

 

Agreed. I feel like Qui-gon started the evolution of the Jedi Order into something better than what we saw in the PT, including the ability to communicate with those that have died. He also made an appearance of sorts in the Clone Wars cartoons in one of the last episodes with Yoda. It seems fitting for him to be involved in this movie.

 

Did I miss something or are you talking about the supposed sound of his voice as reported in the video where the guy screams too loud for anyone to hear?

 

Im really sceptical about them introducing Anakin (and Kenobi) now, after so many wasted opportunities to make it essential and logical.

And even if the would, its too late and cant fix anything.

This happened in the very moment when the plot of FO beating Republic, Ben becoming Kylo Ren was created.

At my work/in my pretty trivial life situations i work my ass off hard to prevent some **** from happening or helping people.

Do you really want me to believe Anakin, who have already fallen before, wont do EVERYTHING he could to care for own son, daughter and grandson?

Would let FO to rise? Would let it destroy the planets (again)? Would let billions people die? Would let Kylo fall to the dark side? Would let Snoke do ****? Would let Luke to eat himself in exile?

Doubt.

In reality he would have teach Ben many lessons about how it ****** to be evil, how it stupid to follow the creepy dudes in black cloaks.

He would roast Luke for being so passive.

He would appear before Snoke and beat the **** out of his bald ass with some Force mumbo-jumbo, then appear wherever the **** FO industial bases are and turn them off with another force tricks or force lightning, literally single handedly stopping FO from building the weapon and ships.

In reality he wont let that **** happen, especially having the powers Yoda demonstrated.

Instead he never appeared on screen, nor was even mentioned, thus making himself look like douchebag. I mean, JJ and Co made him look like this. Whatever explanation they gonna give on this in TROS (if they even would), it can hardly make up for years of zero knowledge on this matter. Such things should have been explained and served in the very beginning. Now its too late and will always look like last moment fix.

 

He meant the saga trailer had Anakin scenes in the PT section.

 

Oh, stupid me! I completely forgot about that part..... But to me that didn't mean anything specific about Ep 9 for Anakin. Just that they were showing scenes from the whole saga.

 

Maybe, but I'd like to believe it is relevant to the final movie.
Come to think of it I might give it another watch and see if any of the chosen saga clips could be more specifically referential to IX.

But I think it would actually be practically suicide for them to supposedly include PT lore and have no appearance from Anakin.

 

I don't think there were all that many shots of Anakin that would lead me to believe it means anything still. The OT section of it was approx 42 seconds long and the PT portion about 10 seconds. Anakin was shown once with Shmi, marrying Padme and then on the table getting put in the suit. They could have shown him piloting during the opening sequence of ROTS, or part of the duel with Grievous, just seemed like minimal inclusion to me.

 

True. Well we are used to it as PT fans.

Hey, maybe JJ will surprise us.
I'm trying to keep an open mind.

If Rey and Kylo don't get any of their onscreen story reflected by an echo of the chosen one prophecy I will be very disappointed.
It is a really easy opportunity to make a nine part epic.
You only need a few scenes if done right.