Saga Here is my unorthodox Star Wars opinion: change my mind!

Well, it's stated that they reckon the high count means he will become a more powerful Jedi than any other, in case you didn't listen what anybody was saying. And that he is never shown to be such is simply a gap in the story-telling. People say he is powerful, talented, whatever, but we are never shown because that'd take time or something (a bit like Obi-wan and Anakin's friendship). Also, who had to say he'd be most powerful straight away? It is said that he is gaining power quicker, and said that he will be most powerful when his powers are accomplished (which is taken as just a given). Anyway, the argument that midis 'increase force potential, not force power' is unsupported by the films.
And it is possible for things to be strong in the family without being genetic, and in my view, genetics is a cop-out to simplify explanation.
Also, in R.O.T.S., it may have been implied that Palpatine used his dark-side powers to create Anakin, and in the original draft, Palpatine was to reveal himself as Anakin's 'father', so Shmi not having force powers doesn't matter either.

 

Anakin is shown as powerful, see the opening of ROTS, where he saves Palpatine, defeats Dooku, and carries Obi-Wan to safety. It also shows Anakin and Obi-Wan as friends, as they are show on many other occasions, like the Coruscant Chase, the Geonosis Arena, Obi-Wan's parting before leaving for Utapau. But Anakin is still not the most powerful, Sidious is presented as being more powerful, as is Yoda, and eventually Obi-Wan. But why should he be more powerful? He hasn't had as much training as those characters. Ergo, his higher Midi count in not as important as experience and training.

How? How can Luke have a greater potential without genetics? It can't run in the family any other way. It's not like he was raised by Anakin. Leia also has a force potential, leaning even more heavily towards an inheritance concept.

 

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Yeah, but the movie also says that the Force created him because some virgin birth crap and Lucas wanted us to think that Darth Vader was Jesus.

And what’s the point of midichlorians except to reduce the Force to the level of an ability score?

 

Only if Jesus was potentially created for the purposes of evil and eventually turned evil himself, killed loads of people and supported a tyrannical regime. The whole point of labelling Anakin a 'chosen one' is to subvert the very concept. Chosen One stories can often be very cliched, so I appreciated a new spin on it.

To reinforce the symbiosis metaphors of TPM, of lifeforms living together to help each other.

 

He's only powerful inasmuch as he has Jedi powers, not anything special. He saves Palpatine, what, by undoing a thing on a chair, and carrying somebody around on one's back I suppose is such a great display of Jedi powers. Also, if lightsaber fights determine anything, Maul was stronger than Qui-gon, and Luke was stronger than Vader. Half of the time during A.O.T.C., they are arguing or sniping at each other (and the atmosphere between them in the speeder chase was strained, to say the least.). Even in R.O.T.S., to me, their relationship seems a little strained, and there are still points where they aren't exactly on the best of terms; and we have the previous film still in mind too. Furthermore, you are ignoring what the films say about midichlorians to satisfy your own views. We needn't see Anakin being most powerful of the Jedi straight off, but all through the second two films, statements are made to the effect that there is something special about Anakin, but nothing is shown to back this up, which is a gap in the story-telling. It is said without contradiction that more midichlorians will make a more powerful Jedi; this may require training, yes, but this does not mean that they don't determine Force ability; it is stated that they do.
Anyway, in relation to Force ability, perhaps Luke's family has a history (well, they do) with the Force or some other such reason, maybe for whatever reason, many of them have met and been influence by the Force because, fate! My point is that R.O.T.J. provides no more evidence for genetics than anything else, and jumping immediately to genetics is quite a trite and simple thing to do.
In order to spin the 'chosen one' concept, I could say that he was made so in order to show that he could not subvert fate, which he fails to do at any point with this view; it is his destiny to destroy the Sith (and implied, evil) whether he wants to or not, in the same way he can't save his wife. He ultimately does good, he can't remain evil forever because he is 'the chosen one', to fit it in with R.O.T.J., 'it is his true nature'. What happens in the films is to try fit this extra-special view of Anakin onto a different story where his character starts off as evil; Lucas clearly believed by 1997 that what Vader did in R.O.T.J. was extra-special to the point of making stuff up about 'the tragedy of Darth Vader" and whatnot, so 'the chosen one' probably went to reinforcing this notion of George's more than anything else.
One could also say that the symbiosis themes of T.P.M. go to reinforce this view of the Force rather than the other way round; and as other people have discussed in that thread, it would have been possible to have the midichlorians in without having them determine one's Force power, which probably would have been much more acceptable and less divisive, but would also feel a bit forced (!) in.

 

Oh, I didn’t realize it was actually a metaphor for symbiosis. All these years, I thought midi-chlorians were just an STD that the Jedi mistakenly assumed had something to do with the Force. Thank you for enlightening me with your brilliant wisdom.

 

People do generally dislike her character though I don't usually see people have her as one of their least favorite characters. In retrospect this might not have needed to be here but I know it is uncommon for people to have Padme high on their least favorite lists.

 

I haven't seen this point-of-view expressed elsewhere, so I assume it isn't a popular opinion: the accents in the films are incredibly inconsistent - people who supposedly grew up and spent pretty much the entirety of their lives in the same place can speak completely differently.

 

Padme is a better character than Leia and Rey.

 

The only time I found her interesting was in the 2003 CW series. Maybe because she didn't bring up politics at all.

 

You should thank him. He's right.


Anyway, my unpopular opinion:

A lot of Star Wars fans are shallow and stupid.

 

Wow, Liam Neeson really is a great actor. To be able to say that party line nonsense with conviction…I’m impressed.

 

That's unpopular? Could've fooled me

 

I feel the PT has some fairly underrated side characters like Jango Fett, Bail Organa, Watto and Captain Panaka. All played well by their respected actors, I particularly enjoy Morrison's and Smits portrayals of their characters.

 

... and Ric Olie

 

Indeed, the legendary Olie ,or also known as Captain Obvious, should get his own spin off film.

 

Most of the new canon books are better than TFA. If anything is keeping my love for Star Wars alive atm, it is the books/comics and cartoon series, not the movies. Hopefully the future films will change that, but I have no desire to follow more of Abrams' story with VIII or IX.

Yes, I know there are different directors taking over, but he is still the primary brains behind the ongoing new trilogy.

 

"In a world where everyone lied around him, one man decided to tell the truth...a lot..."

 

Mace Windu and Count Dooku are overrated, rather shallow characters. The only reason either of them have such huge fanbases is because of the actors.

 

I'm not fond of the design of Darth Vader's face. I've always thought that it looked a little off to me.

The microseries is too over-the-top, the action is weak, and the characters have no substance. I also really dislike how the series uses Ventress, setting her up with a big tournament scene, and a duel with Dooku, that ultimately goes nowhere. The duel on Yavin was really disappointing, and Ventress felt completely disconnected from the rest of the war or story.

Durge has a really weak design, and his concept is barely touched upon.

 

Well, you've gotta understand that these were essentially commercials to build hype for ROTS and the Clone Wars multimedia project. Lucas' whole idea for the series was to show the battles that he couldn't do in AOTC or ROTS, which ended up giving us the action oriented micro series.

 

But the action generally consists of endless firing of lasers with no weight or impact. The Jedi are basically invincible against droids, and I hate the clones as super-powered meat robots.

It's not just the action heavy nature of the series I dislike, it's that the action itself is very lacklustre.

 

I have to disagree. The action is probably some of the best to ever come from a hand drawn animated series. I thought the action was very fast paced and frantic, which made sense given the short length of each episode. Also, the argument that the Jedi come off as invincible against the droids can easily be thrown at TCW or any of the PT films.

 

*Order 66*

*Geonosis Battle*

 

The Jedi don't fight any clones in the order 66 scene, though. And the Jedi also had to deal with the Geonosians and the arena monsters during the arena battle.