Saga Here is my unorthodox Star Wars opinion: change my mind!

Respectfully: Your comments may be accurate in regards to A New Hope, but you are way off the mark in regards Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. This is where the "weight of the plot" and deepening of themes and mythologies of the saga come from....not just the PT.

How so? What "weight of the plot" does the PT provide to the OT? The Chosen One/Balance of the Force doesn't actually impact the plot/stakes/narrative of the OT. Is there something else?

Can you elaborate on this a bit? I agree it's nice to learn the backstory for Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc. It's also cool see 3-P0 and Boba Fett's origins. Yet, none of this is essential for the OT. It's extra icing on the cake, or garnish that enhances* the OT.

*Some fans hold the view that the PT effectively destroys/muddies the mystique of Vader, Fett, etc. This viewpoint states that the PT over explains things, muddies the existing narrative, and somehow makes the galaxy convenient and smaller. This is NOT a viewpoint I share. I love the PT. However...

My original point stands: In no way is the OT "incomplete" without the PT. The OT is a closed circuit that you can attach a PT or ST onto. The PT and ST are both open circuits that depend on the OT for life/energy/purpose. That's generally how prequels and sequels work.

The saga was already a story about redemption and balance when it was just the OT. We can get into several examples of this if you want....

If George Lucas truly wanted us to start with Episode 1 he would have, you know, made Episode 1 first. The truth is: He necessarily created (and modified) a vague backstory to support the first three films. Then, he was inspired by advances in technology to go back and flesh out the vague backstory. The PT is a beloved/maligned addition that (depending on your viewpoint) enhances the OT, but is not essential to viewing the OT.

 

I think it's very obvious that with the OT alone the story is also about redemption, Luke goes from wanting to kill Vader (to avenge his supposed dead father) to redeeming him, even when his two masters disagreed, overall the main focus is of the story is in the family aspect, not just the adventures of Luke, Han and Leia.

 

Certainly it became that way by ROTJ. On the other hand, the shooting script for SW 1977 was literally titled "The Adventures of Luke Starkiller, Saga I: The Star Wars." In fact, the "Adventures" title survived Luke's surname change to appear in the novelization, which was titled "Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker."

 

Sure. As we know, Star Wars famously evolved (and continues to evolve) from GL's initial ideas to something else.

 

“If it looks like a fish, swims like a fish, and smells like a fish, its a fish.”

 

You could make a robot that looks like a fish, swims like a fish, and smells like a fish, but it would still be a robot, not a fish.

 

In that case, how would you know it's a robot, short of cracking it open? "He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom."

More prosaically, those aliens are clearly meant to be recognizable as the ones from ET. Don't ruin the magic.

 

“We murder to dissect.” -Wordsworth

 

huh...

okidokey then

"There are characters that look like they belong in the GFFA, interact with people who look like they are from the OT, have weapons that look like weapons from the GFFA, but that's all"

this is my new head canon for the ST

 

source?

 

Star Wars says Earth does not exist?

which character says this? have a link?

Karl Popper would like a word with you

 

The first line in every Star Wars movie says

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

So, far away from where, exactly?

If you have a good source to say Earth absoltely does not exist then fine, I will concede, and eat humble pie.

otherwise you sound just like Jocasta Nu with your absolutism

 

If our Earth, or ET's Earth, exists in the same universe as SW, how is it that we on Earth have a wildly popular fictional saga known as Star Wars?

 

it's a Tudors in space docu-drama

dey happen.

 

That i agree with, it was the narrative of ESB and ROTJ that brought the theme of family to the forefront and brought in the theme of redemption (family bonds were also in ANH due to Luke's relationship with his absent father, an arc that develops all the way to ROTJ and later gets further expanded in EU material like Dark Empire culminating in Luke walking in Anakin's shoes to understand him at his darkest), but remember i was talking about the Original Trilogy as a unit, it might have not started with the redemption theme in mind at 1977, but it certainly became part of the central message of the movies when looked at as a trilogy, which is what they're supposed to be looked at, so in reality the Prequels didin't bring the theme of redemption to the OT, it was already there before the Prequels were fully conceptualized by Lucas.

 

Earth may exist in AGFFA, its a galaxy far from ours in a vast universe. I always felt that is why it says “A long time ago, in a galaxy, far, far, away…” that it is happening out there somewhere.

 

Obviously it's implied that the galaxy is far from here, Earth. Or are you suggesting Lucas didn't make SW for humans on Earth, but rather some unknown alien species in yet another galaxy?

 

well, yeah obviously indeed.


try and keep up with the conversation...

 

But we see the broadcasts here on Terra Firma in episodes.