Heres a good almost proof that Sidious and Palpatine are the same person to those who don't think so

SO i was wrong, there is nothing to debate.....if anywould woudl like we could up the official debate thread and you could continue you it there, and the info there may very well convince everyone that they are one in the same

 

Dont forget about the Balcony Palpatine's balcony in TPM has the exact same design as the balcony Sidious walk on with Maul.

 

they are the same person and thats that. anyone who doesn't think sidious is palpatine doesn't know much about starwars.

 

PROOF: Palpatine is not Sidious (lengthy proof)

Supreme Chancellor Palpatine - Darth Sidious

I remember reading somewhere that the Palpatine's rapid aging was due to his use of the dark side. That also explains why he looks so bad in RoJ.

 

Lets break it down...

Supreme Chancellor Palpatine becomes Emperor Palpatine who is leader of the Sith and at one time was called Darth Sidious....

 

What does Sidious mean? If it doesn't mean anything maybe he got the idea from the name Sid Vicious.

 

he did?! where did you get that idea, darkOmergazer?

sidious ----> insidious
The darth name indicates how Palpatine operates, insidiously as Darth Sidious.

insidious: 1. work or speading harmfully in a subtle or stealthy manner 2. intended to entrap; treacherous 3. beguiling but harmful

 

Interesting all this talk of Sidious and Palpatine being clones or twins ... they are the same but the spirit of Sidious moves from cloned body to cloned body ... he has to as he is so deeply embroiled in the power of the darkside he decays quickly ...

If they were different, then so could Dooku and Tyranus .. but they are not - one is the real name the other the Sith name ... that is all!! Sidious merely cloaks himself so that he is not so easily associated with Palpatine ...

 

Of those links provided none was the official debate thread.....ah well

 

Once again, for those who don't believe.

Sifo-Dyas was a Jedi Master who died. Palpatine didn't get into politics until the age of 25 and senator for Naboo at age 30. Before that, he had time to become a Sith.

As to the rule of 2. The rule was made to keep the Sith from destorying themselves. Darth Bane had saw this happen on Russaan with the original Sith Order. As long as their were two, neither side had the advantage over the other. This rule is still in effect in ROTJ. If Luke killed Palpatine in anger, he and Vader would rule. If Luke killed Vader in anger, he would replace his father. If he didn't kill either in anger or at all, then he must die. When Vader became Anakin, he was a Jedi again. This lead to Palpatine's death, which resulted in no more Sith.

Qui-Gon: "Greed can be a powerful ally."

It also can destroy as it did with the Sith at Russaan and again at Endor.

 

I thought there was an official debate thread regarding this, but I couldn't find it.
If ppl really don't believe that Sidious and Palpatine are the same person, I don't think however much evidence to the contrary will make a difference.

To me, same actor, same character. GL has used the foreshadowing in TPM and AoTC to show the sinister intentions of Palpatine "we shall watch or career with great interest" or "you shall be the greatest of all Jedi" or the best "I love democracy" .... that is why these lines are so great because *we* the audience know the deceit and true intention that lies behind them.

 

People, come on, its so simple, palpatine = sidious, stop debating deep down inside you it to be the truth.

 

I don't know, I enjoy debating it...it's SO obvious that Palpatine=Sidious, but on the other hand....

a few points.

(1) We all know that Senator Palpatine is, or, will be, the Emperor Palpatine. Why then is Lucas using this heavy-handed sense of irony throughout the PT? Does he think he's being subtle? Examples: "But who was killed - the master or the apprentice?" Pan across to Palpatine's face. Ooooooohhhhh.....BUT WE ALREADY KNOW!!

Another example: "I love democracy. I love the republic." Gosh, that is truly ironic, b/c Palpatine is actually Sidous and he's a bad man.

Why does he beat us over the head with it? We know, but the other characters don't. But the other characters aren't supposed to be affected by the irony and the "subtle" "hints" that Sidious=Palpatine; WE are.

I don't get it.

(2) Why doesn't Lucas show Palpatine talking to the Jedi or something, and then walking to his apartment, where he receives a transmission, so he flips his hood up and communicates with Dooku/Maul/Nute Gunray/whoever? That would show how he has to balance two demanding roles....again, if Sidious=Palpatine, then what is the point of all of this ambiguity; we ALREADY KNOW Palpatine becomes the Emperor.

(3) I was thinking twins, actually - one went into politics, one went to school...but it seems too hokey. On the other hand, I think things are not quite as they seem.

How long does it take to become a Sith Master? Sidious/the Emperor is obviously incredibly powerful, possibly more powerful than Yoda! You'd think the training would take a long time.

And how long has Sidious been plotting? I'm sorry, but I can't believe that he could plan for 10 or 20 years, and suddenly the galaxy is his.

And when/where did young Sidious/Palpatine get trained? On Naboo? Was his master hiding there while he trained Palpatine? Or was he taken offplanet while being trained? "gee, palpy, we haven't seen you since you were 5 years old! Now you're 25 and wear black all the time and you're really scary!"

Like Obi-Wan said (albeit in a slightly different context) "It doesn't feel right."

I know it seems obvious that Palpissidious, and maybe I'll feel like an idiot after Episode III, but no matter how much I try to deny it, the feeling persists.

-dust

 

<<Why doesn't Lucas show Palpatine talking to the Jedi or something, and then walking to his apartment, where he receives a transmission, so he flips his hood up and communicates with Dooku/Maul/Nute Gunray/whoever? That would show how he has to balance two demanding roles....again, if Sidious=Palpatine, then what is the point of all of this ambiguity; we ALREADY KNOW Palpatine becomes the Emperor. >>

Well, first he doesn't need to. Besides if he did, then the menace wouldn't be very phantom would it? LOL!

Second, GL is intentionally dropping hints that Palpatine is Sidious instead of making a straightforward disclosure. For future generations, who watch SW I- VI in order, they are going to be bit more surprised about Palpatine's identity than an audience who has who has watched RoJ first.

I am glad that is subtle, I think that a lot of casual fans may not even see the connection between Palpatine and Sidious. I look forward to Palpatine revealing himself to an unsuspecting Anakin as a Dark Lord of the Sith...that would be to be a great scene.

 

Yeah, that would be a good scene - but again, Lucas showing Palpatine acting as Sidious would not make a difference to that scene because the characters in the movie still would not know that Sidious=Palpatine.

Hmmm...that's actually a good point about watching SW in numerical order, but wouldn't that take the impact out of the "No, Luke - I[/i} am your father!" scene? then the audience would already know that Vader=Anakin....and that is one scene whose impact should not be lessened!

-dust

 

I'm thinking that is kind of the point ....for the future audience they will already know that Anakin/Vader is Luke's father, so that isn't going to be as much of a shocker.
The big surprise will be the revelation that Palpatine is Darth Sidious.

 

Interesting - let's "agree to disagree," because I think that would be a ridiculous move on Lucas' part - not to disguise the fact that Palpatine is Sidious, but to lessen the impact of "I am your father."

That is one of the greatest moments in cinematic history....

Plus, SW is the story of the Skywalkers. The OT revolves around the story of a kid who fights against the big Evil, finds out it's his dad, instead of trying to kill him, thinks he can redeem him...and in the end he's right.

Crap...this is gonna get chucked into the OT forum...oh well.

-dust

 

Nothing will lessen the impact ! "Luke, I am your father" is one of the key moment in the saga. I am just saying for future audiences it won't be a surprise that Vader is Luke's father (although it will be a surprise when/ how Vader reveals this to Luke).

The way that GL is crafting the story, IMO, is to allow the audience still be surprised when the identity of Palpatine is revealed to Anakin as a Sith Lord. He uses this leverage to complete Anakin's turn to the dark side, just the way that I believe Vader is trying to do with Luke when he tells him the truth.

For both Anakin and Luke, revelation of the Sith Lord is going to have great emotional impact.

 

At the end of AOTC when Dooku went to Coruscant and you hear the Emperor's theme I thought for sure that Plapatine would reveal himslef but I guess we will have to wait till E3 comes out. I am 100% sure Palpatine will reveal himself to the Jedi in E3. Think about it by ANH everyone fears Vader and you hear them talking about "The Emperor has dissolved the Senate permanently" wich means that then and there he no longer has anything to oppose him except the rebellion, which I take it was formed a little before the events of ANH and they know that he was a Sith Lord I guess.

 

Exactly, jedi-girl. While the content of the revelation won't be a surprise, the actual revelation will. Imagine, Vader is fighting Luke (meanwhile, the audience is thinking, "Wow, Luke's fighting his own father and doesn't know it!"), he chops off his hand, gives him some talk about the Dark Side, and then, "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father..." "Oh my god, he's going to tell him!" "No, I am your father." "Whoa, what's Luke going to do?" *Luke jumps, movie continues, audience thinks scene is incredibly cool*

Not to mention that future audiences will be surprised by the Jedi dying and the Republic collapsing and Palpatine being a Sith.

 

Palpatine & Sidious same actor? AFAIK the name of the actor playing Sidious doesn't show up in the final credits.

If Sidious is Palpatine why not show his face right from the start, i think there is more to that.

Imagine in the 80's before TESB someone wondering, "maybe Vader is Luke's father" but someone else responds "Nah, Ben-Kenobi told Luke that Vader killed his father so it can't be it"

Can someone tell me the source where Macallum says that Sidious is Palpatine.

 

OK, my last post on this matter. *everyone cheers* Imagine when children look at starwars in the year 2045. And they know nothing about it. They watch SW from eps. I to VI. Well, I think they will be very surprised in Eps.III to see that Palps = Sidious, the same as Vader was Luke's father. For us, it's so obvious, because we first had Eps. IV-VI, that's the reason why we have those clone/twin theories: we want to be surprised again, Palp=Sid. isn't a surprise for us anymore, it's so obvious that we search for other theories. But George has made SW for every generation. For our generation, Palps = Sidious is not a big deal, for others it'll certainly be. Thay's the reason why he stresses the use of EPISODE I-III in the title, we're supposed to forget what will happen in the future. So, be sure for 101% SUPREME CHANCELLOR PALPATINE = DARTH SIDIOUS.

 

This thread is way drug induced.

Put it this way: Your average 8 year old won't understand what your theory even means. It is "Ficticiously plausable".
Non "Actually realistic".

 

Palpatine could've been easily trained. Look at it this way. Padme has proven that children can get into politics, but it never said that all started at that age. He would have to have lived there, in order to be elected. Or in the system. And why is it implauseable that over 20 years, he or the other Sith didn't come up with this plan. The time was right and he capitalized on it. Everything was proceeding as he foresaw it.

 

The way I see it is that Palpatine wasn't trained. There was an original sith right? I think Palpatine is the new breed of original sith he's pure evil right from birth me thinks.