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ST How do you feel about how Anakin's grandchildren were handled in the Sequel Trilogy?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by DarthVist, Feb 22, 2020.

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How do you feel about how Anakin's grandchildren were handled in the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Were you satisfied about it?

    12 vote(s)
    13.3%
  2. Were you disappointed about it?

    64 vote(s)
    71.1%
  3. Or do you have mixed feelings about it?

    14 vote(s)
    15.6%
  1. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    Would work better if they thought she had died.

    Or to be honest an entirely different TFA where circumstances were very very different.
     
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  2. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    Unfortunately, even thinking she died doesn't work, as "search your feelings" would always provide the truth.
     
  3. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    Vader believed his child(ren) were dead and he never sensed them.
     
  4. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    Why do people think Vader couldn’t sense his children?
     
  5. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    He was lost in the dark side and had denounced/denied his true self. Anyway, he wasn't originally their father, and everything had to work around that. He doesn't even ask about them in ROTS, he asked about his obsession, Padme. It also doesn't matter that he was a bad parent, because he's a villain, and he dies before they can have any real relationship.

    Rey alone on Jakku always made it cringe for her to be Related. It meant her parents objectively failed as parents, that their/her life without each other were tragedies, and they will always have a distance between them because they didn't raise her and therefore they are not really her parents. She doesn't have a childhood with them. I've always rejected all the Related theories as terribly flawed and unsatisfying. I've not heard one idea that excuses it.

    The simple fact is Rey didn't have any parents, because it's not just a noun, it's also a verb, and the verb is more important. Rey is an orphan, she doesn't have a family name, because she didn't have a family. She's Just Rey. There's really no getting around that reality. There's no story anyone can come up with that would change it.
     
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  6. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    Does help Rey in any way as a Jedi? Personally I think being abandoned like she was would actually cause more attachment problems than growing up in a family. But maybe I’m missing something.
     
  7. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    He didn’t know Luke existed until between ANH and ESB, and found out about Leia late in ROTJ. Plenty of dialogue to back up Vader and the Emperor thought they died with Padme, Vader never senses them to think otherwise.

    Unsure why you are disputing this, he can sense Luke from ESB onwards.
     
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  8. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    Disputing? I’m not disputing it. I’m asking ‘why’. Why can’t Vader sense his children? Like the why can’t he sense them before he knows about them. Vader is in the same room as Leia multiple times.
     
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  9. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Because he doesn't want to live as Anakin. He cuts that part off from his new life. He's not reaching out to find them in the first place. Probably too painful to even think it.
     
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  10. clonegeek

    clonegeek Jedi Knight star 4

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    That sounds much more compelling then Luke's Jedi Order being destroyed off screen. Have the in universe justification be that the force was recuperating from the fall of the Sith and was finally allowed to heal or something like that
     
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  11. clonegeek

    clonegeek Jedi Knight star 4

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    I also was just reminded of a dumb sitcom idea I had about retired Ackber and Veers as neighbors.
     
  12. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    Dumb sitcom or idea for a gripping M rated TV drama!
     
  13. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    lol no, growing up utterly alone doesn't help anyone. It indeed causes attachment problems in real life.
     
  14. Kenneth Morgan

    Kenneth Morgan Two Truths & Lie winner! star 5 VIP - Game Winner

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    Vader may sense that Leia is strong in the Force, but that's it. There's no context for him to immediately think she is his daughter because, so far as he knows, his child/children were never born. Why should he conclude she's a person who doesn't exist? It's the same for Luke; he doesn't know who Luke really is at first because there's no reason to assume it. The old Marvel comic had an ongoing storyline of Vader searching the galaxy for the unknown, unnamed pilot who destroyed the Death Star. It wasn't until just before the TESB adaptation that he learns Luke's name, and then (without hinting at the big reveal in the movie) his whole game plan changes.
    Force sensitivity doesn't equal omniscience, as Palpatine learned just before Vader tossed him to his doom.
     
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