ST How do you feel about Rian Johnson getting all this hate?

I understand people's anger. Rian Johnson is the man who killed Luke Skywalker, that is his legacy. However, I think it's straight up evil to personally attack him! He is a real life human being, Luke was fictional. To hurt a real live person over a work of fiction is evil and makes our whole fandom look dreadful. Didn't these people learn anything from the movies? A Jedi wouldn't harass people online. Come on guys. Don't be bullies, please.

 

abusing a celebrity behind the protection of a keyboard, in other words becoming keyboard warriors is just shameful. agreed he made a movie which was crap in my opinion but these Instagram, twitter warriors are just crazy.
btw i think rian johnson confuses making a different movie as tearing out every existing thing and crapping on the legacy of beloved characters. he should have just looked at the dark knight to see how it is done. completely different from batman movies till that point but at same time respecting the characters.

 

I loved TLJ, my son loved it too but my nephew did not.
You can't please everybody but you can't flood the internet with hate either because you did not like a movie.
As Shatner would scream to his own haters: "Get a life!"

 

Honestly, I'm sometimes embarrassed to admit I'm a SW fan because of the way some SW fans act. I always feel the need add a disclaimer like, "Yes, I like SW, but I'm not one of those people...."

 

Agreed. Bad enough to see it in the wild; I'm still not clear on why it's allowed to happen here. Shouldn't there be some "discuss the film, not the filmmakers" corollary to "discuss the topic, not the poster" in the TOS?

 

Agreed. No matter how much we care, it is just a movie.

 

I don't think it's right for people to do that, save the bashing of the movie for youtube or write articles about it, or stick to writing reviews. No need to visit the director or actor's personal site or twitter to abuse them. But at the same time to blame it as a fandom thing is short-sighted IMO. When your property brings in billions of dollars from people all over the world you can expect that some of those people are not quite all there in the brain. In other words, there are some mentally ill people out there who also love certain things and can't control themselves very well. I mean it both ways. In showing too much love (ie stalking) or too much hate. To act like a fanbase is a single hivemind is ridiculous. We're just individuals who ended up liking the same franchise.

With that said. TLJ was a horrible movie and I blame Kathleen Kenndey, JJ Abram, and Rian Johnson for that. It just seems like they fumbled this trilogy due to lack of planning and poor storytelling.

 

To put blame on someone or credit someone for making a movie you happen to like or dislike is egocentric. People don't make movies for you. They make movies for them and offer them up to you in exchange for cash. If you like it, that's because of you're own sensibilities. Likewise, if you dislike it. It's not anyone's job, nor can it be anyone's job, to make sure you are personally satisfied with their product.


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I'm not condoning the death threats but I am really not surprised about any of it. Like @NileQT87 mentioned Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen STILL get toxic hate thrown at them almost 20 years after the fact.

 

"Welcome to the club." - George Lucas, JJ Abrams, Gareth Edwards

 

I am not okay with someone being literally harassed on social media for making a movie.

This is the correct answer, by the way.

 

The hate epitomizes entitled childish behavior. I'm ashamed there are so many bullies in this fandom.

I am truly disgusted.

 

It's a balance of how to offer criticism without being hateful. In a writing class for instance people tend to be very sensitive about one another's work. The atmosphere (if the class is successful) is about offering constructive criticism, without being hateful or mean.

 

Me too. It’s embarrassing.

 

I hate the term Mary Sue.

Just realized you are listing the criticisms, not perpetuating them.

But correct, t his sense of entitlement is what makes Star Wars fandim toxic.

 

Between film academics analyzing my work in-depth and finding tons to unpack and champion, and other people with "Luke was an angel and learned all he needed to learn in the OT and never had any weaknesses again and succeeded at everything and rebuilt the Jedi order perfectly so why didn't you just show him defeating everyone in his prime, and stealing the movie from Rey entirely, like I wanted!?" rage throwing tantrums, and threats at me for how I ruined Star Wars for them, or curling up in the fetal position and chanting, "Episode VIII did not happen. Episode VIII did not happen" I think I'd feel okay with the first group and the millions of other fans who feel the same as the critics, or not too far behind them, and see TLJ as a top 5 (at minimum) Star Wars film.

Just knowing that the vast majority of intellectuals out there who analyze film found my portrayal of an aging war veteran with issues of guilt and questions of purpose following a mistake worthy of acclaim, and enjoyed my humor, and the new dynamics I created between characters, would bring me more joy than worrying too much about the people who were upset by lack of direct midichlorian comparables, or a Skywalker tie-in, or Luke not being who they think Luke would be, or who've grown too old and too serious for Star Wars films that have children and teens of the '10s and '20s in mind as well.

Plus, let's be real. There really are a solid amount of people out there that are just politically motivated to hate TLJ for its increased diversity, increased female actresses in positions of power, animal rights message, and generally left-wing slant. These same people may love Star Wars but don't now for reasons that largely relate to some of that and they're out there now too as older Conservatives, or younger alt right types, or white supremacists. Some will admit it. Some won't and will choose to take up the argument from different perspectives after watching Youtube hate videos. So, if I'm him I'd try not to take anything but the death threats too seriously and try to focus on the people and the quality writers out there who do love, or respect, what he did.

Despite all that, I still think a brand new trilogy where he doesn't have to worry about upsetting people over characters they know is probably best and he's shown me enough talent (under strict deadlines) that I'm really excited to see what he can do from the ground up on a brand new story in this universe.

 

Its a tricky kinda situation this is a Sequel Trilogy to the Original Trilogy and for a long time it was engraved into peoples heads that ROTJ was the final film.

Even with the prequels you got alot of talk of george raping peoples childhoods and then they just decided the prequels were not canon to them and so got over it... but now abrams and johnson have made continuations of the beloved Original Trilogy... you are gonna get some emotionally driven fans.

In a way i can understand why some fans may feel cheated but at the same time i dunno.

 

That's not what he said about Snoke. Unless you found something new. The interview I saw of him had him saying that while he knew he could write some dialogue about his past, and that some might find that past interesting, it would feel sort of artificial and like it was only in there for that purpose and so he was focused more on advancing the story forward with realistic interactions between the participants and not getting people talking about their pasts.

With regard to your second issue, I'm thinking you're referring to him being asked about whether Kylo Ren is lying to Rey about the junkers or not, I think it's important to note that the story isn't fully told yet. They may have the ending in mind but he's not going to ruin that or box JJ into how he must get there. So, he's thinking about how he should answer that by allowing for some interpretation and the fact that JJ can still easily pull off a "What he said was true from a certain point of view." If the plan is that in the very end Rey realizes the junkers merely found her in a wreck and that she did have a loving family of nobility and recognition at the very end of her tale then that truly is a "true from a certain point of view" line from Kylo Ren. He can't address that definitively one way or the other. Just as Pablo can't talk about the future. They aren't allowed to.

 

Yeah, that’s not what he’s actually saying. Some of the criticism is so lazy.


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I agree with those who say that people who act like that are showing absolutely pathetic behaviour. There just isn't a single proper reason to behave that way.

It is perfectly fine to dislike a movie. It doesn't matter if it is the most beloved movie ever that everyone but oneself loved, or one that everyone else hates as well, whether one likes a movie or not is subjective and not something that can objectively be decided. One doesn't even need to be able to list reasons why a movie didn't work, as you can't always put feelings into words. If anything, in such a position it cheapens the own position if all you can do is grasp for random stuff. The same is obviously true the other way round as well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with loving a movie, regardless of whether everyone else loved or hated it, nor does one always need logical reasons as for why the movie worked.

But going out and behaving like a petulant child, insulting those responsible or others who liked the movie (or disliked it, when coming from the opposite end) accomplishes nothing and merely shows a lack of character. A director isn't "a hack" just because he or she didn't deliver what one wanted. Nor did the own childhood get ruined because a new movie came out that didn't meet the expectations. A movie cannot travel through time and affect someone's past. One doesn't need to make up claims about stuff one has absolutely no idea about ("X was surrounded by yes-men", etc.). It only acts as a means of self-preservation, "I must find reasons for why I dislike this, even if I have to make them up". It simply serves no purpose, one can dislike the movie without having any reason for it. Two movies could have followed the exact same approach during production and it would still easily be possible to like one and dislike the other. That doesn't mean that the person in charge has lost it, that others failed to help him along the way or that the person never understood the franchise in the first place (like some are accusing Johnson of). It simply means that the idea the people in charge came up with happened to be liked in one case and disliked in the other. That happens.

 

I'm getting too old to really care what people say on the internet anymore. TLJ is a great film that I enjoy watching. I'll leave it at that.

 

Yep, that's exactly how I handled my disappointment over RO. I have no respect for these people trying to scorch the earth over fiction.

 

I'm not overly happy with TLJ but I don't hate it and I don't hate RJ, I think he honestly did the best film he could under the guidance of LFL and Disney.

To hate a film you've seen once or may be twice isn't logical to me, if someone feels so strongly after watching it a few more times on DVD where you can pick up more and have the opportunity to stop and rewind then it's ok.

 

SW fans are the worst..(Some anyway)

 

That's how I handled it too. I was really disappointed in RO but I wasn't out for blood or to verbally destroy anybody who liked it or anyone involved in the making of the film. I don't have the time, energy, or want/need to do so.