ST Huge Plot Rumors On MakingStarwars.net

I am very intrigued by this, but I need to see how it's woven together...

How many Jedi were left alive around the time of Return of The Jedi??? All of the Jedi that were from Obi-Wan Kenobi's era would've been 20-50 years old during Order 66, fast forward 24 years to Return of The Jedi time, and they'd be somewhere between 44-74 years old.... Add 35 years to that. You get between 79 years old to 109 years old.... So unless there's a large amount of Non-Human Jedi or Human Jedi that were younglings (I thought Anakin killed all of them during the Purge), then that means there are VERY few Jedi alive.... We're given reason to believe that Luke is virtually the only practicing Jedi once Yoda dies. There may be some in hiding, but I highly doubt many of them took Padawans of their own....


So basically Luke has to spend 30 years trying to build up the ranks of the Jedi AND fight off these "Jedi Hunters"...??? It just seems inconsistent to me, or maybe I'm looking way too deep into it. How could he possibly have time to train an army of Jedi in the midst of being on the run??? We need this explained in Episode 7, and explained well.

I had to go to Wookiepedia to further research the number of practicing Jedi that survived the Jedi Purge, and the number is around 80 Jedi, at the time of A New Hope. That's a lot more than I expected. And obviously, all of these Jedi are from the EU. So are we going to see them canonized??? And which of these Purge survivors would still be alive by Ep. 7??? And how would they come into contact with Luke???

Here's a list of Jedi Masters & Jedi Knights (no Padawans, except Maris Brood) (not including ones we saw in the movies) that are alive at the time of A New Hope (I also left out anyone that turned to the Dark Side, unless they were notable):
Djinn Altis
Aqinos
Ood Bnar
Lady Caryn
Quinlan Vos (Would be awesome if Max von Sydow was playing him) (He was mentioned in ROTS)
Korto Vos (son of Quinlan Vos & Khaleen Hentz)
Thracia Cho Leem
Minos Fel'Kona
Kina Ha
A' Sharrad Hett (Ends up being a Sith, in the EU)
Darrus Jeht
Dass Jennir
K'Kruhk
Rahm Kota (in Force Unleashed, he helps build the Rebel Alliance)
Chase Piru
Celeste Morne
Plett
Qu Rahn
T'ra Saa
Echuu Shen-Jon
Tholme
Vhiin Thorla
Vamilad
Zao
Arligan Zey
Tel Angor
Fable Astin
Empatajayos Brand
Kai Justiss
Valin Draco (becomes an Inquisitor)
Neth Enasteri
Gel
Halbret
Jorad (becomes Inquisitor)
Zalbar Jyvun
Jhor-Kai
Kaoln
Jimbo Kinnison
Martameno Krahm
Bardan Jusik
Nos'lyn
Pann
Jax Pavan
Qid Proko
Tyneir Renz
Rorr'hn
Corwin Shelvay
Dorn Tavers
Warl Thimbus
Travgen
Bre'ano Umakk
Trilinae Untaire
Sarn Vals
Vima-Da-Boda
Roni van Wasaki
Antari Wellos
Dragitej
Luxum
Ilum
Maris Brood

Can anyone tell me anything about these characters!!????? Will we see any of them or their descendants/padawans as part of Luke's order? Also, most of these names are HORRIBLE. They had to be creations of EU writers, because the majority of them suck. The only names I like are: Quinlan Vos, Maris Brood, A' Sharrad Hett, Rahm Kota, Chase Piru, Qu Rahn, Valin Draco, and Jax Pavan. The rest of them are downright awful

 

I could definitely see GC as one of these Hunters if this is the case.

 

I think the multiple cast members seems to gel with the notion of a band, if not quite army, of villains. It's something I mentioned in the casting thread re. seeing a 'Brotherhood of Darkness' type thing in the ST... which I'd be all for. What would be quite interesting is if this 'Brotherhood' end up resurrecting Bane... the one who introduced the rule of two. I wonder what he'd do in that situation? Hmmm - interesting.

 

If there's no New Republic, it makes the most sense for Leia to be trained as a Jedi. You're right. Who needs politics when it's all-out guerilla warfare throughout the galaxy? It seems to me like Luke will need all of the Jedi he can possibly get. And considering Luke can't train a zillion Jedi himself, he will need to train other Masters himself. I think Leia will be a Jedi, in this trilogy, after reading this rumor.

I also think that Luke will commune with Force Ghosts a lot throughout the trilogy, as he will need their advice, on how to strengthen the Jedi numbers, in this conflict. He need advice from somewhere, and whether it's holocrons or force ghosts, we're going to be seeing some posthumous cameos, I think.

Lucas has always had Star Wars reflect the real wars/conflicts of our society. OT = Vietnam, Prequels = Cold War, Maybe the ST is The War on Terror?? Imagine some of these Jedi Hunters blowing themselves up and killing dozens of innocent people, just to kill a Jedi? Would be crazy to see on screen!

I think it's either Darth Bane or Darth Plagueis. I don't think it'll be Darth Bane, because he constructed the Rule of Two, correct? Seems like he would not be pleased with all these Sith running around. It might be someone even more Ancient than him, if it's not Plagueis.

I think using the iconography of the Empire is a great tool. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them using Vader's likeness (maybe his Helmet or something of that nature) just to incite fear in the Jedi and entice Luke, plus it would be a money maker for Disney, to familiarize their villains with the past, but maybe that could be cutting it too close and come off kind of cheesy? we'll see.

And I don't think they could kill Luke because he's probably more powerful than any of them. I would expect that Luke, although exhausted and battle weary from 35 years of battling these Jedi Hunters, will still show us that he's the most powerful Jedi of all-time in this next series of films, and that's why they've built such a strong Dark Side force clan, because they know how powerful he is, and they know it will take strength in numbers to defeat him.

Either way, this idea definitely feels like a George Lucas plot element.

Didn't the rumor say that Oyelowo would be providing the voice? Could easily be Andy Serkis in a costume or heavy make-up, and Oyelowo voicing the character. You can go to a recording studio and lay down all of the lines for the character in a matter of hours, depending on how much dialogue, and how many takes they want, but it's not like it would take him 2 months to lay down dialogue tracks. 1 or 2 days tops.

 

Yeah, if this all pans out, it feels a bit Death Eaters paving the way for Voldermort's return - but who would be returning?

 

oo I just went and read their write up-I'd be super behind this. I like the fact they aren't quite Sith as well.

 

I really like that idea. Imagine the "Jedi Hunters" resurrecting Bane who sees what he despised in his lifetime and he destroys them all (think Thot and Belloq like melting faces). Though I like Bane (the EU novels) and he was introduced in TCW, I could see a similar scenario with them resurrecting our old Pal Plagueis...

 

I'm not putting any or much into this rumor. We already have a full cast. Besides, what the hell are these Jedi hunters hunting jedi for?

 

Um, to kill the Jedi... The Jedi Hunters would be working for the Imperials. The war is still ongoing.

 

Interesting. I like it.

 

This rumour feels solid and it fits with what we're seeing from the overall marketing strategy: Rebels, Tarkin, etc. Jason's a good guy and he knows the limitations of his sources, but these ideas ring true to me.

 

Good fan-fiction I like this website but I don't belive those rumours. Maybe they were fooled by some fakers.

 

The response to Emperor Palpatine's Jedi Hunters proposal.

 

This is a rumor and I will take it with a grain of salt, but wow, I like the sound of it.

 

Positives:
- Explains why the cast is so large. Several "hunters" and Jedi.
- Explains how we have villains with light sabers, which we expect in a Star Wars film.
- Gives the villains a specific and understandable goal.
- Gives a believable way to bring the threat of the Sith back.
- With support from dark side "hunters", helps to explain how the Empire can still be surviving against Luke and his Jedi.
- Having the Empire around explains how we get space battles, which we expect in a Star Wars film.
- Ties in with Rebels.

Negatives:
- How to explain where these "hunters" have been all this time?

 

So Luke did all that in the OT to wind up in a Terminator-Esque Future apocalypse where he is constantly being hunted down....give me a break

 

The thing is, throughout the OT we get whisperings and hints of the Emperor qua Emperor's inner circle but never see it--this expands things just as ESB did, by taking untouched story hooks and then zooming both in and out simultaneously in order to broaden and deepen the scope of what we'd already seen.

 

Plaguis is the obvious answer, Sidious and Bane the runners up. With the possibility they don't actually return but the Jedi Hunter boss defeats them and grabs power for the self instead.

Anyways there are some big differences...

• The bad guys are in control at the get go, not Hogwarts.
• Jedi Hunters likely won't be as miniony as Death Eaters but major actors.
• Only a few Jedi Masters, not a whole school of them and familes everywhere.
• Luke could have a spy in there order (insert Mara Jade being a former Emperors Hand in the EU so her role here may stay switching sides but pretending not to, or a Bothan... I bet many died for Luke too)
• No stupid the one willing to die will live and the one unwilling to die will die cop out badguy defeat at the end
• The goodguy new trio arch structure won't be boy of destiny, boy clown/fool, & girl super genious like it was in potter... likely down to earth warrior girl, every man new to this, and boy who's been hunted his entire life. Plus some wildcard supporting cast.

 

My first thought was that there would have to be a ton of background that would have to be explained in VII to set everything up. (Where were these guys during the OT, etc...) But then I realized that using the same characters 30+ years later kind of necessitates a ton of back story, anyway, so that doesn't really preclude this info from being possible.

While I'm not in love with these ideas, they do gel well with other rumors that we have heard. Having the old war still ongoing works well for Disney from a marketing standpoint, as well - they can keep a lot of iconic Star Warsy things in rotation - Stormtroopers, Tie Fighters, etc. which would help to make casual viewers want to see the film. They can really go for a gritty "used universe" look on basically every planet (which some felt was missing from the PT). It gives them a way to have multiple Jedi without having a large, fully functioning Jedi council. And an army of black-armored bad-mammer-jammer jedi hunters sounds like a license to sell tons of toys.

I don't hate the idea. And it definitely sounds plausible. Ponder this, I will.

 

I guess Vader and Sidious thought they could get Luke to turn to the dark side. After their deaths, some Imperial probably took the helm and gave the go ahead to hunt down Luke and possibly any other Jedi that were in hiding that survived order 66.

 

I tend to agree with this line of thinking - it seems odd for Luke to have defeated arguably the two most powerful Sith ever over the course of a four-year journey and then be unable to take down a handful (or so it seems - no indication this is a full on army of Jedi hunters) of not-fully trained Sith Jedi Hunters.

 

Oh yeah, my Potter comment was not a criticism. Seem to remember posting back during the Palps rumours that Voldemort was a good template to show resurrection can work well.

 

Very interesting. Allows for the opportunity of laser sword waving, and also the possibility of seeing the Empire still around in force. Not sure I like the idea of black and chrome imperial uniforms, but if it's just the hunters wearing them then that's cool.

If this scenario is true, I wonder who will be the main Imperial bad guy, in charge of the military. I imagine these hunters would more or less operate as they please, and only be beholden to the Empire for resources to do their job, but are otherwise loyal to Palpatine.

 

I think the difference with this is that they're probably not sitting out in the open like they were with the Death Star. The Emperor did invite Luke into his chambers. I think the Sith over confidence leading to their defeat was a common theme in the PT and the OT. Perhaps these dark Jedi are not out in the open like their predecessors. Which would make sense especially if they know that initially Luke is more powerful than them.


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It's hard to say which Sith would be resurrected. Vader is out. Bane could play into the ancient theme. Plagueis supposedly had expierence with cheating death, although he couldn't save himself unless he left around the instructions to help others bring him back. Sidious coming back would make sense if it was his plan to have a back up strategy in place should he be defeated or betrayed. I guess maybe he could have learned the power from Plagueis and stored it away for when it was needed. The only plot hole would be why 30 some years later?