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ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Pro Scoundrel , Dec 6, 2019.

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  1. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Forgot to include earlier:

    Re: Batman

    It never tops the Elegy arc by Rucka and Williams III. Had DC had the nerve to let Blackmail and Williams III tell the story they wanted to, it might have been equalled.
     
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  2. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    So is the NR mentioned at all?
     
  3. JediVision

    JediVision Jedi Master star 4

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    George Lucas himself should just come out and say that the Sequel Trilogy isn’t canon.
     
  4. Lordban

    Lordban Isildur's Bane star 7

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    If it was, it didn't stick in my memory. It doesn't play a role anyway.
     
  5. TheDutchman

    TheDutchman Jedi Master star 4

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    wow would that be a great eff ewe to Disney.
     
  6. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Remember - No. Politics!
     
  7. 11-4D

    11-4D Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, at least we can move on from this trilogy now.
     
  8. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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    "Óscar Isaac Hernández Estrada dropped both surnames before enrolling at Juilliard in 2001. He’d run into several Óscar Hernández at auditions by that point, and taken note of the stereotypes casting directors seemed to have in mind for them—gangsters, drug dealers, and the like. So he made a change, not unlike many actors do."

    Guess what was TROS Poe last job before joining the Resistance.
     
  9. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Force Ghost star 5

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    They made him a hot head in VIII and a former drug dealer in IX. Both stereotypes of Latin men.
     
  10. TheDutchman

    TheDutchman Jedi Master star 4

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    Awareness level: -9000
     
  11. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    And worse is that they gave proven with other stories that they can not do this dumb stuff. Only on the most high profile stage do they make these mind-blowingly bad decisions.
     
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  12. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 7

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    So they took RJ’s stereotypical retcon of the character and made it worse. And to think, critics are whining incessantly that this movie is catering to TLJ critics :rolleyes:
     
  13. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Is there at least some LGBTQ rep? Obviously stormpilot didn't happen, but anything there?
     
  14. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    Honestly this movie is just embarrassing in so many ways.
     
  15. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The big issue with following that path of Kylo as the new Big Bad was that its clear that no one at LFL actually wanted "beating Kylo" to be the main objective of the ST - they wanted it to be "saving Ben," and I think they realized they were kind of screwed in that direction... because trying to make him the main villain and depending on a sympathetic background that would be useless unless they dragged Han and Leia through the mud? Both of those would make a sympathetic version of Ben impossible, or require burning some kind of bridge they clearly weren't ready for.

    Of course, they should have realized it was already too late to make Ben a great character, and that Kylo's potential as a villain was the right path to pursue... and if they were worried about the Skywalkers being screwed over by that, well no duh, WHAT DID THEY THINK WOULD HAPPEN IF KYLO WAS THE ONLY SKYWALKER GRANDKID?!?!
     
  16. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    Also no one was going to buy him as big bad martial after how weak he was in the first two films. Especially since Rey's god mode got to absurd levels in this film.
     
  17. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    They get a kiss that they better be grateful for. Yes, that's all.
     
  18. Lordban

    Lordban Isildur's Bane star 7

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    Indeed. Lasts two seconds, between two minor female characters, and that's that.
     
  19. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Force Ghost star 5

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    From the studio that brought us The Last Jedi, comes the followup with Story By credit from Monster Trucks and Book of Henry, and the director who can't continue or close stories who directed Star Trek Into Darkness and the writer of Batman v Superman and Justice League.
     
  20. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    like known characters? I saw a joke on twitter about "lesbian A"
     
  21. Lordban

    Lordban Isildur's Bane star 7

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    One of them is the officer who explains the command of the Resistance fleet falls to Holdo in TLJ.
     
  22. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    I mean if there was any doubt that they took away Anakin and Luke's victory just to give it to Rey instead, that climax proves 110% that that's exactly what they were doing.
     
  23. cerealbox

    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

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    Commander D’arcy
     
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  24. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    Its more or less eluded that its a clone but at the same time he could be lying .

    The storyline makes no sense to not even Palpatine knew what he wanted. They played around with the stuff from the past trilogies with the is he lying or telling the truth, to what if both are equally true cause he's a Sith. It basically amounts to the same thing he used on Luke in ROTJ, strike me down with all of your hatred.

    The opening starts with the strange lair filled with tanks containing an army of Snoke clones basically, the attendants appear largely to be masked or disfigured, the scene is very darkly lit so details are deliberately obscured or hidden from the viewer. It is also a montage rush through. Palpatine looks like a less make up version of Ian himself, cept he also looks like a white walker type corpse(mainly the hands are badly decomposed) otherwise he looks like a zombie hooked up to a life support machine.

    *The Ochie side story is another muddled mess, but apparently one version he's sent to kill her and the parents. While later on Palpatine's version to Rey was that he was retrieve her and bring her to him alive.

    Palpatine, or the Phantom Emperor, pitches the idea that he died once before(ROTJ) and the scene is basically there to imply he might be a clone or might not be even. Here he sells Kylo the idea to kill Rey cause she's this threat to him as she carries his powers through their bloodline(much like he wanted Luke killed or converted), and basically he'd inherit the Sith Fleet of the Final Order and become the new Empeor if he follows through and remains loyal.

    Kylo naturally wants the fleet and everything the Dark Side has to offer but not Palpatine around as any kinda presence and threat to his own rule. Kylo basically tests Rey to find out if Palpatine's story his true, its confirmed when she fired Force lightning destroying the FO landing ship containing Chewie(this was naturally somehow a big magicians switch to test Rey lol). Kylo further pushes Rey along to the Dark Side which his side but no real intention of killing her. Palpatine speaks to Kylo and asks why he has not killed her and naturally he accuses Kylo of betraying him so Kylo steps up his game to kill her onboard the DS II wreakage. Kylo and Rey are pretty evenly matched but Kylo eventually manages to overcome her and defeat her and about to deliver the killing blow. But he quite can't again, and Leia at this point contacts Ben to where he drops his lightsaber to the floor. Rey recovers and picks up Kylo's lightsaber and angrily stabs him. She realizes what has happened and saves Ben by giving him a bit of her lifeforce.

    Between all of that, Palpatine has naturally advertises his return over broadcasts. The Resistance all wonders how Palpatine could have survived, Dominic Monaghan brings up cloning and they all go along with it nods ect.

    Then Palpatine acts like his plan with Kylo was another farce, and informs Pryde to ready everything as he knows that Rey will come to him now and the Resistence will follow her.

    When Rey journey's the Emperor it plays out as basically as the same stuff we've seen in TLJ with Snoke and ROTJ, same throne room scenario and speeches. Now Palpatine wants Rey to kill him to inherit her birthright and take his place as the new Sith. Naturally he pitches her the same kinda dumb stuff about striking him down he played around with Luke with and a little bit with Anakin in ROTS. The catch is basically this, kill him and his spirit(and all the Sith) will enter her body and they'll become one. How this would entice her or anybody no idea.

    Anyway of course she refuses and naturally the Emperor's yet other truth reveals itself was that basically he never needed her as his decrepit body would do fine to rule as it is since he remains just as powerful apparently. But once Ben comes along and stands with Rey and he Force pulls them both to disarm and render their bodies limp he absorbs their Lifeforce inadvertently . In realizing what this means with the "Force Dyad"(which is almost acts like the chosen one myth from the PT but so very minimalist and less developed) nonsense. Now Palpatine absorbs them and now he for some reason he looks like the deformed face of Sidious from ROTS and acts like the same man.

    He's now walking on his own as the giant machine arm apparatus he had detached himself from although he wears a similar lighted belt as Vader which implies he's still on life support and may not be completely man but also part machine. His clothing is similar to his crimson attire from ROTS under a black hooded cloak. But once Palpatine is completely rejuvenated back to his scared and disfigured form from ROTS he does not need Rey but will rule again.

    Even the Snoke clones were all what looked like adult Snokes complete with all the same deformities. He might be a Cylo style clone. But this version of Palpatine not only thinks he's actually him but also every Sith . His main objective appears to not only to continue to rule forever but also return the Sith. He has thousands of Sith followers and is even protective of them, this scene reminded me of the Senators or colleseum type arenas of the PT. Naturally of course once Rey blows up Palpatine by reversing his current onto him that somehow blows up everyone of them and entire Sith Fleet all over the galaxy. Talk about a bad cartoon...
     
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  25. Lordban

    Lordban Isildur's Bane star 7

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    I'll take your word for it. She's never called by name in the movies proper, and that's the extent of my ST knowledge.
     
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