ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

This is the point where you just have to stop and let things be.

That's because sarcasm is hate speech.

 

If they wanted folks to invest in Kylo and Ben as being different people they should have made the difference more discernible, like with Steven and Stephan in Family Matters.

 

I think the writing was on the wall but the problem is people couldn’t feel the emotional weight of his redemption. We’re just not given a lot of details about Ben before he turned. We don’t know if he was a kind hearted soul who volunteered at an orphanage over the weekends or a spoiled brat who beat animals with a stick. We needed some context to that and even Rey does as well. She doesn’t know who Ben was. Maybe the way he acted as Kylo was the way he’s been his whole life. Because it’s been left open it’s just left to personal head canon as to who he was. People either have him positive head canon, negative or just left it blank because the writers did. Even a small line could help. When Obi Wan talks about Anakin in ANH you could feel both the friendship, love and regret.

 

Yeah. The elephant in the room is that, without Lucas being the lone voice that declared what was canon, there should not be a lone voice declaring what is not canon. So there are a lot of voices declaring what is not canon in separate idioms. And that is the best outcome of this bad outcome. I can understand someone wanting to confer Continuity upon Disney's offering, just to maintain suspension of disbelief, and maintain investment in that set of stories. I don't know if Lucas Era Expanded Universe had many continuities. Dark Empire and Heir to the Empire would be different continuities. Maybe in the spirit of democracy anything that succeeds in hitting the benchmark of a self-contained trilogy merits that nomenclature. I certainly don't know Lucas Era Expanded Universe to know if there are any strings of novels that are all self-consistent with enough content to be a longer continuity than what Disney is putting out now in is multi-media blitzkrieg.

 

Equipped with the machine to turn him into either at will.

 

Perhaps the saddest part of TROS is how utterly mundane John Williams scoring is. I've no doubt he tried his best to find moments excitement, terror, longing, wonderment and every other fantastic sensation we love about Star Wars. But there is nothing to be found.

The leitmotifs are almost always abbreviated to fit into cramped scenes. There is barely any sense of acceleration or buildup. One of the most bizarre choices I saw was when he inserted the credits fanfare into Lando's big return with the Rebel fleet. As far as I can recall, he has never used that score within the films' scenes, and I can't help but suspect that Abrams instructed him to do so, which of course would be pathetically arrogant.

The sad part is that I think there is a lot of visually interesting stuff going on. The production designers did a fantastic job - the best of the ST imo - and yet Abrams' impatient disinterest with sociology, history and politics in the GFFA means that it feels eviscerated of the soul that animated Lucas' world building. Every scene feels chopped up and reassembled like Mr Potato Head on crack. TROS has 5 new worlds populated with interesting creations, but not a single memorable track to bring them to life. What a disappointing foot note to the failed ST.

 

Kinda gives a whole new angle to “all the sith will live in you!” don’t it?

 

So Kristin Stewart as Ripley 2020 huh?

Hopefully they learn some lessons from ROS and don't make her super over powered.

 

I Think Lucas had an idea there with Darth Talon being the one to seduce Ben Solo. If you're Palpatine and you want to seduce a young man to the dark side why would you create Snoke?

 

Kylo just did it all for the nookie.

 

Maybe she’ll fall in love with one of the aliens and wishes she could be one too. Oh what tragic romance.

 

Although this one is under water. Literally called, you guessed it...Underwater. Maybe she'll hook up with a sea slug or something.

 

At least the audience would have understood his motivation for going dark right away.

 

He's only human.

 

Calm down Padme

 

My grandpa wanted to watch TFA on Disney+ because we were flipping around looking for a Christmas movie and he thought it looked neat.

Nothing like being reminded of Kylo petulantly telling Lor San Tekka "I'll show you the power of the Dark Side!" like a five-year-old, then ordering his men to slaughter innocent villagers! Really gets your heart a-flutterin' and makes ya swoon, eh Rey?

 

Real question what did your grandfather think of it?

 

Honestly Snake being a woman, as was an early idea apparently, might have been at least a little bit interesting. Especially since we STILL haven't gotten any proper Dark Side women in these films yet.

 

Also his turn happens WAY too fast.

 

We're only about 20 minutes in.
He isn't saying much but I just asked. He pointed at the critter that guy was riding when he tried to take BB8 in the desert and wondered what they did to it because he thinks they covered an actual camel in junk and made it run around the desert. He thought the rising bread was neat and thinks Rey's red junker vehicle was crap.

He's in his 80s and was never a giant Star Wars fan. He's an old country soul that likes his Westerns and only watches Star Wars if theyre on TV and he can't find a Western. I'm not going to press him about anything deeper than that.

 

I think that in both these instances, Abrams just wanted to upstage ANH, to make TFA more graphic, shocking and mean than OT Star Wars. Kylo's icing San Tekka is an elaboration of Vader's choking Cpt Antilles, but it feels even nastier because we just saw how kind and fatherly he is. Then all the screaming villagers get thrown in for good measure, even more innocent than the Tantive IV's uniformed security. Then on SKB, he has Kylo kill a defenseless, pleading Han, in contrast to the more honorable contest between Vader and Obi-wan. In both cases, I think Kylo's more intense villainy is not actually calculated to be more, less or equally evil to Vader, but just more viscerally extreme.

This desire to make a surprisingly intense SW experience came back to haunt him in TROS, when he needed to resolve the character's arc after TLJ's Reylo all-in. I think that Abrams genuinely thought he was leaving the Kylo story wide open after TFA - he was trying to leave everything open - but became a prisoner to his own extremes.

 

If he likes Westerns, he would love The Mandalorian. If you want to introduce him to SW through a vehicle he might appreciate more. I'm doing the same with my dad.