ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

I don't know who that is, but LFL hired two directors to create 439 minutes of Star Wars where less than 100 of those minutes were worth it.

 

But, as with everything in life, context is key. We aren't talking about a normal film. This film is the "end" of the so-called "Skywalker saga" and yet it will be the first Star Wars third film of a trilogy to not surpass the second film of the 3 set series. They marketed the hell out of it and this is the best they could do? I have a feeling Bob Iger isn't going to be pleased, neither will Alan Horn. Remember, TFA made what $2billion? That became the new goal at that point. No way they were happy with The Last Jedi making what, 30% less than the previous entry? Then you add to it Solo which flopped.

Now we get to The Rise of Skywalker. It opened what, 30% lower again than The Last Jedi? I can't imagine they were happy with that. Let's see where it ends before we declare failure or success. It might have incredible legs.

As usual with an Abrams film, once you start thinking the entire thing falls apart like a house of cards. LMAO

 

How does she look like a physco?

 

Honest question about canon consistency. I seem to recall Bloodlines saying that Leia did not train. Did anyone read it or did I misremember that?

If so the Luke/ leia training scene is going to need a pretty big retcon


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I think acting like he had literally a completely different personality as Ben Solo and Kylo Ren doesn't work. If a character has charisma, they will have it as both a hero or a bad guy. If they are a snarky person, that will come through no matter what. If someone is serious and somber, they will stay serious and somber.

So Kylo is clearly a big introvert but hey, suddenly Ben Solo acts like the "yeehaw" funny scoundrel type of character? You can throw the force and the darkside at it but that will never make sense. They just did that to ape Han Solo.

Say Luke fell to the darkside, does that mean he suddenly has Lando's personality as the smooth-talking ladies man? You know, why the hell not?

And why does newly-redeemed Ben Solo have a yippity-doo-da attitude after years of committing atrocities? I only read how he seemed so much lighter, as if a weight was lifted off his chest. So wow, he really felt some guilt and regret there, huh? Oy.

 

Does anything surprise us at this point?

 

Cause she looks like one in the gif above my post,lol. Was having a laugh with that image with her looking like like she's constipated with marbles in her mouth.

 

Yep, its a retcon.

Another retcon is Poe being a smuggler before joining the Resistance.

Another retcon is Snoke being Palpatine's creation/clone/whatever.

And there's Luke's X-Wing with all wings attached, despite the fact that Luke used one of those wings as door on his hut in TLJ.

And that's just what I thought of in the first 5 seconds. I'm sure there's more.

Great job Lucasfilm Story Group. I totally see how everything is connected and relevant, and there are no more levels of continuity how we used to have in that pesky old EU that was confusing people...

 

I wouldn't exactly say Ben had a yippidee doo attitude. He was less somber than Kylo, but that ain't saying much.

 

The Emperor does not get his own “chapter” in the visual dictionary. In fact, he’s barely mentioned. I wonder how late the decision to add him to the story was made.

 

The books and comics contradict SO much that happens in these films. It's actually comical at this point. I can't believe anyone thinks Disney had a plan for this trilogy from the start.

 

Neither did Maul for the SOLO book.

 

It’s just sad. I mean why would I ever buy supplementary material now


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I’m standing strong that they had a plan and when CF died, it threw it all out the window

 

The book keeps alluding to a higher power responsible for all these events and it's obvious they are referring to Palpatine. However, for whatever reason, they didn't want to give away that he's back so they attribute the Sith Eternal for all his evil plots. This seems more like a case where they didn't want to spoil Palpatine (like the lack of Tarkin and Leia in the Rogue One VD or Maul in the Solo one) than because he was a last-minute addition.

 

the Emperor had a Return of the Jedi script he was reading from.

 

Leia is asked by a friend why she never trained and she remains coy with her answer, not specifically stating that she did or didn't train, just that eventually she found the Jedi path was not for her. There's a level of discomfort from the question which could be attributed to her vision of Ben's death. Nothing in that exchange breaks the canon though and in fact, it lines up quite well imo.

 

It's very sad and I am glad I never got too invested in the new canon, I only have a couple of books. I will stick to Legends stuff from now on for my occasional Star Wars reading fix. Thing is, JJ ruined Star Trek a bit, but the core stuff was insulated by the different timeline. What's happening with Star Wars is much worse.

 

This. While I appreciate on some level that Adam/whomever decided to try to differentiate the two personas, it just comes off bizarre because Kylo just turns into this innocent, laid-back dude out of nowhere. Between the chill attitude and his earth-like designer shirt thing, it felt more like Kylo Ren had turned into Adam Driver instead of Ben Solo. Even Anakin's quick turn played off of his previous flaws and amplified them to a villainous degree.

Imagine if Kylo, instead of being a broody manchild, was actually a charismatic Loki-type villain who's basically Evil Han Solo? Ben Solo at the end of TROS would make far more sense then...hell, maybe even Reylo wou...nah, never mind.

 

They might've had a general idea and outline, but TLJ from TFA shows they had no plan. Even Rian has said he could do whatever he wanted. Rey Mystery Box > Rey Nobody > Rey Palpatine. None of that is cohesive to planning.

 

And she was great. I thought she was Palpy's daughter but apparently not. I barely even noticed Palpatine Junior.

 

I want her story. Also, why is Rey worrying about Palpatine when her mother is Villianelle?

 

It was during principle photography. I think Matt Smith was playing the Son of Mortis and KK and Disney thought him being introduced woulda alienated casual audience because no one outside Clone Wars viewers know who he is. So they forced JJ to do Palps and they called Ian. This is a rumor doing the circuits. I think it sounds incredibly plausible.