ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

The impression I get from Lucas is that he wanted an irony with Sith and the Jedi. The Jedi are not concerned about immortality, willingly to accept becoming one with the Force when their time comes. They only become immortal spirits because of their willingness to help others in their time of need. The Sith, on the other hand, are selfish and fear death because becoming one with the Force means losing their identity to it. They seek everything to keep themselves alive to prevent that fateful day from happening.

Thus the key to immortality is accepting death, which is something that immorality seekers cannot accept. It's the standard message in fantasy stories, such as Harry Potter. The Master of Death is to conquer one's fear of death, not death itself. Voldemort tried to cheat death but ends up in a fate far worse than death.

 

Actually it's pretty much implied in lines cut from ROTS between Yoda/Qui-Gon that the Sith can't become force ghosts:

The ROTS novelization is even less subtle and outright says it's beyond the Sith:

So I think Lucas clearly knew there were never going to be Sith Ghosts since ~2005.

 

@Gharlane that's my chief problem with Palpatine being back in TROS - it cuts against all those themes of the Jedi/Sith that have been there since the OT really.

 

The missed opportunity with Palpatine being back from the dead in TROS that would resolve this problem is if the process of bringing him back didn't bring the Palpatine we knew from the PT and OT but rather a new kind of malevolent spirit that is a mishmash of all the violent memories and emotions of the Sith Lords long gone, like illusion of Darth Bane. It only seems to be Palpatine because his personality is closest to being pure evil.

 

You're making this too difficult. The ST is fan fiction. It's so far removed from the 6 films prior that it's significantly more easy to divorce yourself as a fan from the ST as canon. The story makes no sense. Characters abandon behavior patterns and any sense of characterization built up over hours of film at the whims of pens. Things in these 3 Disney films just happen. over and over until other things happen but none of it gets earned nor does it fit the larger puzzle. especially after TROS. it's not canon. Obi Wan will be right after Order 66. Before OT. There will be no First Order nonsense. Look how little nonsense weve gotten from Mando.

 

What if they had made "Kylo Ren" the grandson of Palpatine, and Rey was the daughter of Han and Leia?

Story plays out the same way.

Now a Palpatine comes back to the light and sacrifices themselves so the Skywalkers can live on.

Does that work better than the way TROS did it?

 

Pretty much anything works better than the way they did it.

 

Well, it looked cool in a comic book, so...

Empire 2.0. Under new management!

Sheeve's body survives being thrown down a Bottomless Pit, during which it bursts into flames, and then the ship it is on explodes. Then the debris from said explosion survives reentry into a planet's atmosphere where it is then recovered? Seriously? What's next? Luke's lightsaber from Bespin is going to survive reentry onto Tatooine or Jakuu or wherever? Wow. Just wow. It's easier to believe Santa Claus can overcome physics (https://sucs.org/~cmckenna/humour/xmas/santa/dead.html) than this.

Rey's lineage isn't a problem for me. With Palpatine being a dictator all things are possible; the easiest to explain is money.

 

Actually seeing Dark Rey made me think that Rey would have been better as the villain and Ben Solo as the protagonist.

 

Challenge accepted: Rey falls for Kylo at the end of TFA.

 

On the first point, much of the search for the crap reminded me tonally and visually of the Mummy films - the Brendan Fraser ones.

On the second point, unearned is saying it lightly. What they were really doing in that scene was holding a funeral for George Lucas era Star Wars.

 

That actually would have been better, imo. If they went straight for the Nazi love affair, I wouldn't have wasted my time and energy hoping for a decent finale and I wouldn't be stuck with a Rey tattoo I'm now ashamed of.

 

Seems on par with how Abrams likes to just make everything bigger. Bigger Death Star. Stronger Force powers. More ships. Even more ships. Even MORE ships.

 

I actually think Abrams is a pretty good director..... but we need someone else to write the story.

 

Would Abrams do that? I mean all his movies seem very similar, just with different locations and characters.

 

Precisely why I didn't see ROS, I see anything too damaging, I'll never be able to UNSEE it.

But yes, fanfiction, pure and simple. Fanfiction that is paid for and produced into a movie, but all the same.

As I've said, this "Trilogy" was catering to people who thought they knew better than those who came before them and broke away from rules and traditions that kept the saga running for over 30 years.

The hate for the Rise of 'Skywalker' (See: Palpatine) is well-deserved karma.

 

Yes it's better.

 

I’m imagining an awkward future conversation when after my son see’s Return of the Jedi for the first time and he asks, “so the Emperor is really dead?”

 

No one is ever really gone..

 

Sometimes it's okay to lie to children.

 

Noon Christmas eve showing in a smaller town. Theater had assigned seating, I got about the second to last ticket. Most notable event, though, was that the audience was almost completely quiet until some scattered applause at the end.

Except in this case both parents are abusing the kids.

The Chewie angle of that relationship is something that was never even slightly realized.

Ished. Finn Ished.

 

Or clarify, like I do with my 9 year old during most of the Poe-Holdo scenes.