ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

Unless they talk about the badly edited ending, I don't think you'll get an answer. Even then, the blame will be passed around.

Although, I do suspect something was changed in reshoots- I doubt it was the presence of the kiss, even if they did reshoot it to better fit a new ending- the scenes are sloppy and don't build emotional weight.

 

that's awful then.

 

Wowwww. Catching up and just...wow. I mean, I'm not surprised because I've caught it on a micro level but this is really disturbing.

 

John went rogue today and I think that's beautiful.

I'm not sure how much was changed in reshoots. JJ did say they didn't do that many reshoots this time around. But the movie's editing is choppy and it suffers from a lack of being able to breathe properly. After Ben dies, Rey doesn't seem to care at all. I mean, I think it's funny, but LOL.

 

I would configure this as the actor standing up with integrity against a monolithic power that kidnaps nostalgia and annihilates a system of fairy tale optimism which has governed millions of childhoods for over a thousand two generations. Boyega is walking the talk of his character.

 

There also the irony of the fact that while this played as a joke, Finn was actually right. That's exactly how the Force works. See Qui-Gon Jinn...

 

Imagine being told that you’re going to be a main character in the sequel trilogy for Star Wars. Then you end up being the irrelevant goofy sidekick. I’m not surprised Boyega blew up.

 

I wish Reylo was just a harmless personal thing that people do in fan fiction, I really don't mind that at all, but I've never seen shippers take over an established fandom on this scale before. All I can think of is HP, and at least with that I can get the angst of being young in school and having crushes, the series has generally more innocent subject matter, so it at least makes more sense there.

But this...I don't know how this happened, aside from KK and RJ courting the idea of Reylo with all the focus on Kylo Ren.

 

Now the tweets are turning some are saying now they hate all the movies and all the actors involved. This is how the last movie in a 9 episode saga ends. Crazy.

 

Sure, but... money... plenty of actors take crap jobs knowingly for a paycheck, they usually just wait a bit until their bottomline isn't affected. Like after the movie finishes it's theatrical run. I assume JB has something in his contract for a percentage of the profits. If he's apparently trashing TRoS not even two weeks after it's out...

I don't even necessarily blame him, but I do like money. You can see my conflict, lol

 

I think you've answered your own question. They courted this, fanned the flames and are now surprised that they have a conflagration.

 

The problem is they wanted to have reylo but not commit to reylo. They wanted it to happen but they knew it could never happen, so they let Rey kiss him but killed him afterwards because he was the villain and could not live happily ever after. You know what that does? It just angers everyone from ALL sides. Reylos can't be happy because Ben is dead and people against reylo have to deal with the fact they made Rey kiss the man who stalked and harassed her for 3 movies. It leads to the mess that has become today's fandom.

 

I'm glad to see principle take precedence over money. JB will be just fine.

 

Basically from what I understand from JJ's recent comments about TFA. He left the potential nature of Rey and Kylo's relationship open after TFA, then Rian came in and decided the star crossed soulmates idea was the most interesting to him, this was before TFA was even out I believe. Then once TLJ came out shippers were validated increasing the popularity of the ship.

As for TROS, the redemption was clearly always there, but the kiss I dunno. Could've been a reshoot, could've been the most secretive scene by JJ since no early leaks mentioned it.

 

...I've been saying this since TFA...

They wasted Finn from the first five minutes when they decided to just have him forget his Stormtrooper past and become some goofy sidekick.

See the man, the legend, in my avatar? My favorite character in Star Wars? The one who had the proper desertion from the army arc? Yeah, that's how you do your characters right.

 

Yes, Twilight fandom didn't attack Robert but was racist to FKA twigs when she was dating him since 2014.


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/robert-pattinson-fka-twigs-racist-827211
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...o-online-racist-attacks-from-twilight-zealots

 

It wasn't really clear that the character Rey cared nothing for Finn in TLJ. She actually gave Chweie a message for him and they ran to embrace each other at the end of that film.

What was really clear was that RJ and/or LFL cared nothing for the relationship that JJ set up between the two of them in TFA. Hence deliberately separating them for an entire film and sticking Finn with Rose while introducing a weird, problematic relationship between Kylo and Rey.

 

The best way to describe the ST is for people who have vague memories of enjoying the OT at 11 years old, grew out of SW, and came back 30 something years later to remember those feelings.

 

Is anyone else picturing JB hitting "ignore" on frantic calls from Disney execs?
I love this so much.

 

With Mark Hamill in the corner, nodding in approval.

 

Omg you know MH sent him a text of support lol

 

Yeah, JJ did no favors to Finn. He's the one that brushed off any interesting stuff with him (the stormtrooper past, the force sensitivity) and separated Rey and Finn at the end of TFA. Then, after RJ tried to give Finn his own arc and supporting cast... just brought Finn back to goofy sidekick role, this time with more mystery boxes. Hell, JJ doesn't care anything about Rey and Finn's friendship in TRoS- having the majority of their interactions be Finn shouting after Rey while she ignores him or him not being able to tell her he is force sensitive (why the hell would she need to be told this? Have other powerful force wielders needed to be told someone else they were close to and not hiding that they were FS???) Then JJ sidelines Rose in such an awful way...

 

At least Stanakins are not this problematic

 

That'd be great!