ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

He does tend to repeat himself. The most obvious to me are:
-Blown up planets (ST '09, TFA)
-A spaceship coming out of water (STID, TROS)
-Some sort of absurd, magical gobbledygook as part of the plot (red matter in ST '09, Khan's blood in STID, Starkiller Base defying any and all sense of logic in TFA)

Also, I saw someone say that JJ's show Alias was always about following clues from location to location, collecting artifacts. I've never seen it, so I can't confirm.

It doesn't even make sense, because if Palpatine can survive being thrown down a shaft, there's no reason to think Kylo is dead.

 

I kinda hope they do let him fight with a lightsaber, at least a little bit. They must have something weird/shocking planned for his appearance, otherwise they wouldn't be keeping it so secret.

Imagine if it's horrible and it becomes Sonic the Hedgehog controversy all over.

 

Palpatine is obviously was the last minute decision. JJ pitched his story to Iger and KK back in January or February of 2018, just a month or two after TLJ release, can't remember exactly, already knowing Snoke gonna be killed and the place of Big Bad became vacant.

I dont know how its possible not to go Occam's Razor. There was no hints on Plapy being in ST, Snoke was Mystery Box, then boom - Snoke is dead, what are we gonna do now? People laugh at Kylo and he supposed to be redeemed, so who will be the bad guy???

JJ scratched his forehead and said "**** it! Lets go with Plapy" and voila.

Its way more obvious explanation of how it was done than "Yeah, sure, we planned Plapy return from the very beginning", full of white threads and tons of interviews that hints or directly said that Plapy wasnt planned for TROS.

Also, you can't introduce Plapy in TROS without establishing him as the "Phantom Menace" in the previous two movies. Well, if the story supposed to be well written.

 

So, fellow “haters,” have you seen JJ’s quotes on the balance of the Force?

 

Which ones?

 

Oh god, what did he say?

 

JJ on the balance of the force: https://collider.com/rise-of-skywalker-the-force-jj-abrams-ccxp-details/

 

EDIT: Just read it. He adds nothing to the concept and gave the most uninteresting answer.

 

Didn't read yet. There is something pretentiously dumb and making no sense in the context of previous six movies, isn't it?

 

Another "I didn't like that so I'm gonna change it" quote from JJ. Say what ya will about Rian, but he at least had the guts to give George Lucas and the PT credit for expanding SW. JJ gives the most corporate, passively disagreeing answers which ironically says exactly how he feels

 

It's pretty much the only thing he can say since they're trying the "Anakin DID balance the force!" angle. So Anakin was the chosen one and did balance the force, rinse, repeat.

 

Not if Palpatine is still alive, because then Anakin never succeeded.

 

Hmmmm, maybe I'm missing something, but my initial reading is that this translates to, "I was never thinking about the metaphysical nature of The Force or how it achieves balance. It's space magic, people."

 

Well, he made an obvious statement.

I think most people's problem with ST negating Anakin's achievements wasnt the fact the Balance was shaken again, but HOW it was done.

If there were some other bad dudes that had no connection to Skywalkers and stuff - well, sure, why not. Destabilize the Force as much as you want.

But here we had effectively the same players (Palpy, Luke and Kylo) ****ing up Anakin's and Luke's achievements while both Anakin and Luke have already won the game. Thats what infuriating in this story.

 

On the one hand, it’s hard not to sympathize with JJ. Serious fans have been debating what the Balance of The Force means for decades, without a definitive resolution. It could mean a Taoist dichotomy between light and dark, it might also mean a kind of metaphysical ecosystem that can be polluted by the Dark Side. There are endless interpretations. The relatively straightforward question of whether the Jedi were maintaining or disrupting the balance before TPM is still a matter of debate, I think. I don’t think there is an easy, consensus understanding of how exactly it works.

At the same time, JJ literally employs the phrase “balance in The Force” in the opening lines of dialogue in his Star Wars trilogy, signaling its importance as a concept. So if people expect him to have a serious answer, that is an expectation he voluntarily assumed.

 

are you now.

 

Nm. I have to practice not caring.

 

His Mission Impossible movie revolves around a Macguffin and we never learn what it actually is. And yeah, in Alias they were hunting artifacts created by a 15th century inventor with one leading to another and so on. It got pretty ridiculous by the end.

 

Same. I am trying to like and understand it but it is not working. It feels Hollow to me.

 

Like the Speaker of the House, I sort of object to the word "hate" being used so casually.


I wouldn't even go calling TFA & TLJ "bad" movies, they're IMO well-cast thrill rides that entertain splendidly.


But as we go into TROS and the supposed end of the "Skywalker Saga," I still can't help but wander in astonishment as to how crazy duped I think we were.


It's only been 4 years since we all sat in awesome anticipation to see the return of Luke Skywalker... and now we are allegedly topping off the whole 40-year journey down with Random Scavenger, His Most Royal DEAD Highness, Bootleg Han Solo, and god knows who else. I describe our current crop of characters like this not to demean those who enjoy them, but rather to illustrate the pathetic attempt at connective tissue to our main and original storyline.


Rather than seeing every bit of advertising and having what is displayed be a genuine continuation of the story, instead I see what can be best compared to avatars for a really good Star Wars amusement park ride or some other fun tie-in inspired by and extremely faithful to the iconography of the series but not in any way shape or form a serious extension of the existing canon.


It doesn't help that none of the new characters have strong identities of their own, neither visually or thematically.

Will they ever cease trying to fill in the shoes of previous characters? It doesn't seem so, and hence why it all comes off as one big LARP session to me.


It's great that the big baddie will be redeemed & aid the protagonist in sending The Emperor to the grave... pretty cool there's still more to reveal regarding the Jedi character's family... all after the hard-to-swallow reveal from the previous film...


This of course, goes back to the movies themselves. Which, as I said, I don't regard as bad by any stretch of the imagination thus far, but what are they giving us - the audience - that the OT didn't already and in a less convoluted manner? Rey Palpatine?! Sheev in the flesh?!


I fully expect the film to be a real crowd pleaser with some kick ass performances - McDiarmid, anyone? - however this whole "Saga" ship has sailed. And I doubt there will be enough gas in the tank to take us to the type of places Bantam took us in the 90s. Not only is this is not the same Lucasfilm, this is simply put NOT the same universe, and thus it'd be foolish to expect these characters to live on in the same manner that the old crew did.


Thing is, I don't begrudge Disney and LFL for taking the approach they did. How many of us would break our backs at work if we knew we can simply ride off what has been already done and largely get away with it? I can only speak for myself - I'm taking the shortcut and leaving for home early.

I’m really surprised at how little people in the fandom have caught onto this. This has happened recently in the X-men and DC franchises where they know the goose is cooked long before the film is actually released because the foundation they’re working on has already crumbled beneath their feet and it’s essentially just a waiting game to toss the thing out there and move on. “Course correction” becomes an oxymoron in cases like this. The “course” itself is the problem. The recent words of many involved with TROS say it all - time to park the vehicle on fire and get out.

 

How to bring the Skywalker Saga to a satisfying conclusion:

Step 1, kill off the Skywalker’s.

Step 2, bring back Palpatine, the guy killed by a Skywalker 36 years ago.

Step 3, give Palpatine a family and make the hero of the ST a member of said family.

Step 4, have that Palpatine rename herself Skywalker.

Step 5, Enjoy everybody being satisfied.

 

You forgot this step: Introduce one new Skywalker, but make him an entitled incel who spreads even more death and destruction across the galaxy.