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ST Ian McDiarmid (Plapy) in Episode IX

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by dlbates, Dec 24, 2018.

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Will it be revealed that Palpatine created Vader in episode IX?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    I think some found it confusing, simply going from fighting strangers, having to recall the opening crawl about putting down rebellious worlds, then going from finding a pyramid/wayfinder and going straight to Exogol alone. It was like I'd missed the set up scene...

    It serves the plot though, with so much new story to fit into it, it gets the story from A to D quickly and that's all that matters with the main events still to come.
     
  2. themoth

    themoth Force Ghost star 5

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    TROS:
    “Do not fear their feeble attack, my faithful. Nothing can stop the return of the Sith.”

    ROTJ:
    “Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Dark Side.”
     
  3. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Well at least we have this poll answered
     
  4. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    The force did it,;)
     
  5. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Yes that’s what is said in Episode 1 so unless Shmi was lying it’s true.
     
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  6. qui-gon-chan

    qui-gon-chan Jedi Knight star 1

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    Loved the look he gives when Ben wakes up after being sucked out of his life force.
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Not this **** again :p that’s probably what he was thinking
     
  8. Sidious69

    Sidious69 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Ok as for Palpatine junior my theory is:

    He was born 7 years before ANH from one of Palpatine’s mistresses or maybe he raped her or whatever but this woman probably never told Palpatine about his son and took him far away and raised him the right way not knowing about the Force at all.

    Palpatine was more concerned with the Rebellion and when the first Death Star exploded he was more concerned about the Chosen One’s offspring.

    In ROTJ, Palpatine’s son was 11 and when the Empire was defeated his mother decided to tell him about his evil father.

    15 years after ROTJ, he had Rey with his wife. And when Rey was 4 years old....the regenerating Palpatine senses this disturbance in the Force since she was a Dyad and had to find out her origins. After sending his acolytes to find her...they found her grandmother first torturing her to find out that this new power was indeed his granddaughter.

    So her parents hid her and abandoned her. When Palpatine’s henchmen caught up with her parents they would not talk and were killed. So Palpatine abandoned the search.

    He then turned his sights on Ben Solo. Using Snoke to seduce the young Jedi.

    So there you go... Palpatine Jr. doesn’t have to be someone important before Rey.
     
  9. jeangreyforever

    jeangreyforever Jedi Master star 4

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    I still like the idea that whoever Palpatine mated with was a formidable force in her own right.
     
  10. MrDarth0

    MrDarth0 Jedi Master star 4

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    If that would be the case, Vader would kill her as potential competition. Same goes for the son.
     
  11. jeangreyforever

    jeangreyforever Jedi Master star 4

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    She could be force sensitive but not necessarily Sith or Jedi, just someone with a strong but latent connection to the Force. Maybe the female equivalent of politician Palpatine who is using him for her own ends just like he is using her. And if Palpatine wasn't aware of the existence of two Skywalker children, what's to say that Vader would be aware of a Palpatine heir.
     
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  12. qui-gon-chan

    qui-gon-chan Jedi Knight star 1

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    Are we sure that Palpatine actually mated to have a kid? What if his son was a clone?
     
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  13. MrDarth0

    MrDarth0 Jedi Master star 4

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    In that case, the son must have been raised in hiding or outside the Empire. If he would be a public figure or at least someone hanging around the Imperial court, Vader would have found out.

    But why would he clone himself?

    I don't see why Palpatine would want to have a son. I like the theory that Palpatine Jr. was the result of rape/concubine/prostitute that decided to keep the child. Perhaps Palpatine forced her to keep the child or perhaps she was a true believer. A fanatic that thought the Emperor is "divine" and perfect.
     
  14. jeangreyforever

    jeangreyforever Jedi Master star 4

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    It's possible that if Palpatine knew about the child, he kept him in hiding because he knew the boy's public existence could be a threat to him. Especially if Vader grew angry that his own child died with Padme but Palpatine had his own. It would also be easier to control the boy if no one else knew about him, because what if people tried to rally around replacing Palpatine with his son who would be a legitimate heir to the empire?

    That's an interesting theory that Palpatine basically had his own Bellatrix Lestrange.
     
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  15. Shadao

    Shadao Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So in my spare time, in attempt to figure out how to make Darth Sidious return without nulling the Prophecy of the Chosen One (and possibly lay the foundation of my own rewrite of the ST), I came up with this headcanon theory:

    Darth Sidious, the Emperor of the First Galactic Empire, knew that he was not immortal. Though Sith Sorcery prolonged his life, the Dark Side of the Force ravaged his old body. Although Darth Vader was to be his successor for the throne of the Empire in the event of his death, Sidious had no intention of dying.

    During the era of the Galactic Empire, Sidious spent his days in the Imperial Palace experimenting with the Dark Side. He was never seen in the public eye, save for ceremonial and important events for the Empire on Coruscant. Nearly all of the management in the Empire was left to his Imperial Court, Darth Vader, and the regional Imperial Governors. Unbeknownst to everyone including Darth Vader, Sidious found a means to anchor his evil spirit into the physical realm and prevent his conscious from being absorbed into the Cosmic Force. It was a Sith Holocron that he embedded a portion of his soul inside. The Sith Holocron was taken into the Unknown Regions, to a planet called Exegol.

    Exegol was a secret, unknown world colonized by the Sith after their defeat against the Jedi a millennia ago. Because Moraband (Korriban) was under the watch of the Jedi Order, which resulted in the death of Darth Bane, Darth Zannah journeyed into the Unknown Regions along with her apprentice to find a planet where they can learn more about the Dark Side. Exegol, a cold desert planet, was chosen to be the new home for the Sith. It was on this planet where Darth Plagueis the Wise sought the power to cheat death and create life.

    No one knew if Plagueis discovered that power, but his Dark Side experiments twisted the planetary environment. The landscape was ridden with unnatural formations, consuming each other as they piled up to the sky. It was as if you were looking at a cancer, a planet-sized tumor with the atmosphere of death. When Sidious killed Plagueis in his sleep, he only knew partial knowledge of what Plagueis found (as his master kept the rest of the knowledge to himself). That knowledge was the price of resurrection.

    While the Sith Holocron could preserve some of the Sidious's spirit, it would not be fully whole until the rest of the Sith's spirit was drawn back from the Cosmic Force. And because the Sith were selfish by nature, the rest of Sidious's spirit would be lost in the Force, unable to rejoin lingering dark spirit in the physical world without dragging back other memories and souls of the deceased. If not done carefully, the identity of Sidious would cease to be.

    But Sidious was not concerned about that risk. He trained himself to become the embodiment of pure evil. Any little goodness inside him was forcibly purged to make the resurrection all the more smoother (in theory). Ironically, by making himself the living incarnation of the Dark Side, his skills as a master manipulator grew weaker in the process, to the point that he is unable to sense the innate goodness in people, including Darth Vader.

    When Vader killed the Emperor during the Battle of Endor, the last contingency plan went into effect. Sidious survived through the Sith Holocron left on Exegol but the process was imperfect. Though much of his conscious was retained and he managed to regain the memories of his fateful demise, the intrusion of memories from other deceased Sith Lords left Sidious more unstable. No longer would he be content to rule the galaxy under an iron fist as Emperor Palpatine. He would instead consume the entire galaxy like a cancer, and rule as the living calamity foretold in the prophecies as the Sith'ari (meaning "perfect being" or "god" in ancient Sith).

    But as long as he remains trapped inside the Sith Holocron, he can never again terrorize the galaxy as he did as the Emperor. The balance of the Force will remain intact. But should his followers find Exegol and successfully resurrect him, it will be the galaxy's darkest hour.
     
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  16. Ian passman

    Ian passman Jedi Master star 2

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    The kid was probably raised on Exegol, by the Sith Templars. Too me, it seems that the scope of the Sith as an organization, was much larger than originally conceived. As the dark lord, there were clearly many more perks and bonuses than a mere apprentice could know. We've always wondered how only two of them could survive for so long. And now we know. "Dark Lord" isn't symbolic. If you ascend to that title, you inherent an entire organization of dark side worshipping fanatics. Planets, wealth, countless servants.
     
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  17. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    Presumably not the woman who broke his heart in Underworld.

    But even only if Palpatine were the Force User in the marriage, like Anakin in his relationship with Padme, wouldn’t Palpatine Junior be Force Sensitive and with great potential, like Luke and Leia? And definitely so if Mrs. Palpatine were powerful in the Force? So did Junior turn his back on Dad and refused to train not only in the Dark Side, but also even in the Light Side because he felt even training in the Light Side would develop his powers and possibly lead to the Dark Side, especially if there was no one to train him in the Light Side as all the Jedi were presumed dead?
     
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  18. Iron_lord

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    It's not unheard of for Force-sensitives in the Legendsverse at least, to have non-Force Sensitive descendants. But force-sensitivity skipping a generation may be rarer.
     
  19. Shadao

    Shadao Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, there is the possibility that Sheev didn't give a damn about his son if he shows no sign of Force sensitivity. Which was actually one of the missed opportunities in ST, to have one of the Skywalker family not be Force Sensitive to show audiences that bloodlines don't always grant you the Force.

    In fact, considering that Legends has Sheev willingly kill his entire House to be the only Palpatine left, I wouldn't be surprised if he dumped his son on Jakku to show how much he means to him.
     
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  20. jeangreyforever

    jeangreyforever Jedi Master star 4

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    It's possible the Skywalker bloodline is special in the sense that descendants inherit the power like it is passed down. Most other force sensitives might not pass it down like Palpatine's lineage.
     
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  21. Iron_lord

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    The protagonist in Force Collector is the great-grandson of a Jedi, is mildly sensitive, and neither of his parents, as far as we can tell, were Force-sensitive.
     
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  22. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    Yeah, maybe. In Luceno’s novel Plagueis Palpatine’s parents aren’t Force Sensitive, nor are Dooku’s parents and sister in Dooku: Jedi Lost. However, that’s a different direction. Palpatine is passing on his genes, and they will have midichlorians in them. In fact, all living beings have midichlorians, some with with higher counts than others. So I’d think Junior would have a high count too even if mom weren’t Force Sensitive and especially if she were.

    I think Lucas said somewhere that although Padme wasn’t Force Sensitive that Luke and Leia had the same potential as Daddy, which is why I guess Luke could go toe to toe with Vader. It’s not entirely why he beat Vader as Vader didn’t want to kill Luke—in part because Vader hadn’t completely destroyed Anakin, but mostly because it was his plan to turn Luke, not kill him, and eventually kill the Emperor. However, Vader underestimated Luke’s anger. Luke, when emotionally weak after the duel of and temptation of Vader, snaps when Vader discovers Luke has a sister and wants to turn her.
     
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  23. jeangreyforever

    jeangreyforever Jedi Master star 4

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    This reminds me, apparently a major plot point for this book was changed because it was identical to something in TROS. I haven't read the book but do you think you know what the two had in common and what was changed?
     
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  24. Iron_lord

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    I think the most notable example of "Both parents have Jedi-level sensitivity, yet the kid is not sensitive at all" in Legends was Tigris in The Crystal Star.

    I haven't heard that. But if so, I would speculate that it was artifact-hunting related, since that's the primary focus of the book. Perhaps he went to the Endor system in a first draft and this was what was changed?
     
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  25. jeangreyforever

    jeangreyforever Jedi Master star 4

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    Plagueis was also one of the first things decanonized because apparently it didn't go with Lucas' vision for the character and also probably because it didn't mesh well with what Disney planned for Palpatine. This makes me wonder what additions they will add to Palpatine's backstory now when they get around to it. Whether it'll be something different about Plagueis himself or something to do with Palpatine's family, including his son.

    I read the same thing about Luke having the same potential as his father pre-Mustafar according to George.

    That could be it. It's probably something from the first act or two considering all the artifacts the trio is after.
     
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