ST Ian McDiarmid (Plapy) in Episode IX

Wow, this is an excellent and comprehensive take!

 

There used to be this idea, whether canon or not, that the Sith became more powerful when there was only one master. As though somehow the darkside is weakened by many users. One user gets to have total access to the source.

This all the Sith in me idea works with that.

 

I've argued that before - with the proviso that just because the master possesses the apprentice, doesn't mean the master wins the contest of egos for who's in charge of the body. My theory was that most of the time the apprentice wins, but has access to all of the master's knowledge, and benefits from the master's personality as a new advisor.

 

Basically what you're talking about is essence transfer or transfer life first seen in Dark Empire I believe. The movie seems to allude to this to some degree.

But I don't think its a Highlander situation as that throws canon lore out the window. Even if so, Sidious would also only be all the Sith of the Rule of Bane which was no more than a 1,000 year old Order and limited to two members. Sith Lords are always tested and eventually the Sith Apprentice has to overthrow the master, that is there way and its understood and respected that conflict. Sidiious did that by murdering Plagueis in his sleep. Alternatively we know part of Sidious' training of Maul was to have him breath in the ashes of the long dead Sith of Malachor and it gave him power in the Dark Side as he absorbed them and faced his trials and Maul's attempts at overthrowing Sidious was also respected as that was part of being a Sith was about. The master does not really want loyal slave.

I think it more like just body transference or he wanted to her to become a Sith by striking him down in anger and carry on the Sith tradition and he could've been talking a lot of bunk as he often does. The only voices we heard was of past Jedi for Rey who was actively attempting to communicate with them. Sidious being the Sith Master would've been all the Sith in the sense that he had all their knowledge and knowledge is power.

With Rey he just wanted a vessel to transfer his soul into her to take control of her physical body this was because she was of his own blood and had some of his power already, she was compatible for such a ritual. Once that failed he sought to destroy her, meaning he could've went on the way has been possibly forever or whatever. When he learned of the Dyad being the power of life itself when inadvertently absorbed their lifeforce and healed his own true bod, he then had no use for Rey at all once more.

Ancient Sith Lords were known in canon to Force drain Jedi to prolong their own lives and Talzin had this ability as did other Nightsisters. Talzin and Sidious were once allies and traded Dark Side secrets before he chose Maul over her to rule the galaxy and be his true Apprentice.

I think for Palpatine, even in this movie, it was more important that the Sith carry forward, their survival was more important than just him. The Sith Eternal was part of the Sith legacy but they could not harness the Force and Dark Side of the Force like Rey could. I guess the Snoke creature had to be replaced every so often as the bodies may of died too fast or it was bred that way. Palpatine's plan of the conversion of Kylo was out of revenge on the Skywalker family and to use him and then kill him. The Knights of Ren were like lower versions of Inquisitors of old, unclear why they didnt carry lightsabers with the except of the character called Ren. Some of the Acolytes of the Beyond did use Sith lightsabers and Sith relics. There is a lot of inconsistencies and annoyances in the new canon.

In any case, just destroying Palpatine does not mean destroying the Dark Side. The series ends the same way it begun basically, killing the Sith does not mean killing the Dark Side .

 

It is the Way.

 

I'm definitely on board with this being another of the "unnatural" things the Sith learn via the Dark Side.

And it's essentially proven in TROS when Palps starts Energy-Sucking off Rey and Kylo. He even comments that those two, combined, are a much better deal as his damn fingers regrow.

 

Well, as the TLJ VD notes, the Sith were destroyed, but not the Dark Side, hence Snoke... Oh, wait... Well, there’s always retcon...

 

That's one of the other things I thought of, as well. If this (or something similar) is indeed part of the 'Rule of Two' Sith, that would be a major distinction between them and other dark side force users. The Sith have a consciousness (or something similar) stretching back the full 1000 years since Bane instituted this; and it's this passing of the 'spirit' that makes them Sith. Its conversely why Snoke and Kylo Ren weren't Sith, neither had the 'essence' of the Sith.

As long as the Force exists, there will always be dark side users. But they won't be Sith! Or at least, they won't be the same Sith order; there could always be Exar Kun style fallen Jedi who hunt down and imitate the lore of the Sith until the only difference is semantic.

 

Best way to tread the discrepancies of the VG's would be to see them like a work of historians from the GFFA, which came about new information which they used in their newer works.

 

Yeah. Still happy to see and hear Ian. I just saw him on YouTube in a video of all his swans as Sidious and Palpatine in TPM. Brilliant.

And that should be ‘scenes’, not ‘swans’ above. Autocorrect is so stupid. I left it unedited so we can see how stupid it is. For now, I think we’re safe from Skynet.

 

I dunno. Palpatine's swans are likely to be bloomin' vicious.

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I mean let’s be clear here even if the Sith coming back was planned which I doubt it was they weren’t going to state as much in the VD