If Anakin went with Mace to arrest Palpatine, would he of turned?

If Anakin had went with Mace he would have seen Sidious kill the 3 other guys and he wouldn't have turned. Though even if he did turn after Mace killed Sidious, Mace would have killed Anakin. End of movies.

 

Just a hypothetical argument....how is it possible to arrest a Sith Lord, or any force practitioner for that matter. Couldn't they just use the force to get themselves out?

 

what if you disarm him (either his weapons or literally) and send many many many many jedi to guard him so they can't be mind tricked?

 

alot of you are missing something very key:if anakin had gone, do you honestly think palpatine would have attacked and killed three jedi masters? cmon..give the sith lord more credit. he would have gone quietly, and allowed himself to be arrested. this means anakin would have eventually turned, because ultimatly he is greedy and cant let go.

however, if he had learn to let go, then palpatine truly would have been doomed.

 

Anakins destiny is to become a Sith so theres no way around it. But I think if Anakin did go with Mace to kill Palpatine, Anakin would eventually try to figure out how to Save Padme from dying which would probably still lead him to the darkside

 

Anakin was already half-way at the point of the Darkside because of the Death of his mother and the Murder of the Tuskin Raider as well as fighting Agresively in the Clone Wars instead of Defense. Yoda did say in The Empire strikes back "once you start down the dark path it will Forever dominate your Destiny and consume you it will." His Love for Padme grew stronger and more powerful because she was the only woman in his life like mother and wife at the same time.

EDIT: The Question I am asking that I may start is what would be of the Clones if Plapatine were killed? I think they would be used for good and they would go into combat for the jedi if the jedi hade to fight.

 

Seriously, is George's intent really that hard to understand? Anakin turning Sith was NOT destiny, it was a CHOICE. You cannot be destined to make a choice, that goes aganist the very nature of what a choice means. This is all about personal responsibility. The point is that Anakin is destined to fulfill the prophecy but he has to CHOOSE how he does it. He chooses the quick and easy path and dearly pays the price for it. This was not written in the stars somewhere. Luke faces the same personal choice, but he does the right thing. To say that Anakin was destined to become Sith completely undermines Luke's decision and the tragedy of Anakin's own fall.

 

well said RebelScum77. well said, it truly is choice that determines his fall.

 

Anakin definately would have turned on Mace. I don't think it would have mattered if he had gone or not. In fact if he had gone maybe it would have ended more quickly then it did.

 

I don't think so, there are 2 scenarios that could've/would've happened had Anakin gone:

1) Palpatine attacks the Jedi anyway

What we have to remember, always, is that Anakin was the Jedi that turned the Sith Lord in. He would've very much liked to kill him on the spot, but he does what is right, finally, and alerts Mace Windu. Anakin wanted the Sith to be taken care of, he didn't want him dead; but he knew that the Sith should not be allowed to stay in place.

With that in mind, imagine the scene, as it is, only with Anakin being a part of the Jedi. If you truly think that Anakin would've allowed Palpatine to flat-out attack and kill anyone part of his team, then you're giving him far less credit then he deserves. This is the same man who, a week earlier, wanted to nearly abort the capture of Grievous to "save" the Clonetroopers that were in trouble. So i believe it's a fair assessment; that Anakin would've fought back. He has no love for Palpatine anymore; he just needs him alive.

With that in mind, imagine if Palpatine had to fight both Anakin and Mace Windu......that's pretty much a done deal, he couldn't even take Master Windu on his own and Anakin, arguably, is as skilled and cunning as Mace is (when fully focused, i'd even argue he's as strong or stronger than him). Also, with their combined strength Palpatine could never goat Mace into killing him - because Anakin would be right there and would be persuaded as much as Mace was, so he'd have to watch his back AND make sure he doesn't push Anakins buttons the wrong way.

The only alternative is that he'd try to kill Anakin too, perhaps he'd realize his plans had failed etc etc. But Anakin is no Kit Fisto, no Agent Kolar and no otherrandomjedi (no offense to them ) and i think we can all agree that he'd more than hold his own.

2) Palpatine allows himself to be arrested

This is the more likely choice, imo. Sure, he'd probably still wear his promise of power on his sleeve to Anakin. But what is important in Anakins choice to turn on all the Jedi is that he had just killed Mace Windu. THE essential Jedi in the order, second only to Yoda - the Jedi would've found out, and he'd have the entire Order aiming for his head. That's why he chooses to go the Temple himself, so that he can take care of it before they do, "the element of suprise" as Palpatine calls it.

If Palpatine was arrested, there would be no "What have i done!?!" moment - and Anakins clarity of mind would be far stronger than his confusion and desperation. Whether he still would've done drastic things to save Padme, i really don't know. But what is important is that up until the moment he stabs Mace in the back, Anakin had always been defending the Jedi from Palpatine. That's why he pulled the whole Plagues story out of his....coat, because Anakin would not simply turn on the Jedi.

Just my thoughts, right or wrong.

- O_F

 

Tough question. I think back to Luke asking Yoda is the Darkside stronger and what Yoda's answer was. I'm thinking that Anakin's priority throughout the entire movie (above all else...capturing/killing Dooku, hunting Grievous, ending the war...blah, blah, blah) is saving Padme from dying in childbirth. By helping Mace, he would have gained Mace's trust (as Mace indicated "...if what you say is true, you will have my trust - regarding the true identity of Palpatine). Then, having brought Palpatine/Sidious down, would the Council then grant Anakin the rank of Master and subsequently his access to holocrons or whatever he would have needed? Was Anakin already hell bent on getting what he needed "By Any Means Necessary"? ...and continuing on the path which became reality?

The question is so compelling; especially after reading the novel which provides with so much a movie does not have time for. I felt the anguish Obi-Wan went through when he has to approach Anakin on a personal level (on behalf of the Council) and ask him to spy on a friend and mentor. At one point Mace states he doesn't trust Anakin and immediately Obi-Wan reminds Mace that Anakin hasn't let him down and that he trusts Anakin with his life. IMHO, the book shows the Jedi/Jedi Council as any other person or group, no matter how good or how virtuous/principled one may be...we are ALL flawed somewhere.

My answer would have to be whoever had what Anakin needed was going to get his allegiance.

 

Obi_Frans

i completly agree

your assessment of the situation was dead on, and i came to much of the same conclusions

 

Thanks.

I don't think it's a "would've" turned scenario, more a "could've".

Would he still have turned? I have no idea, it completely depends on how Palpatine would weasel his way through the situation - and if anyone's unpredictable, it's that old bugger. All i figure is that would not have turned during the fight or closely after it, perhaps some time later.

Could he still have turned? Of course, i have no doubt about that. Essentially, outside of the situation, little changes within Anakin himself. He still "couldn't" live without Padme, and the Jedi still wouldn't have the answer to his fear - the most ideal situation is that he spends such a long time thinking about it. That eventually Yoda & Kenobi would return to Coruscant; and that Anakin would, as time passed by, realize that his dream was not set in stone.

- O_F

 

The event itself might of changed in that Mace and Anakin might of had it out but nothing changes the fact that Anakin made a choice of the Dark side Because he beleived that they were stronger.......Anakin knew that He was "not the jedi he should of been" and craved more power, when his mother died he told Padame that some day he will be all powerfull and he will even stop people from dying.
So when he finds out off Palps that this is possible then ofcoarse he wants to know if he can learn that power?

"NOT FROM A JEDI"

 

"See this is what the 'yes' people on the "did Sidious allow Mace to win" thread just dont seem to understand....There was no reason for Sidious to throw the fight and it wouldnt have mattered if Anakin went in with them and witnessed the entire thing either because Anakin's choice was about saving Padme."


I don't necessarily agree with that. If his original intention was to save padme at all costs, he wouldn't have turned palpatine over to mace in the first place. He progressed to the point where he couldn't do it anymore, but his original intention was right. Would it have changed had things played out differently? who knows.

 

yoshifett posted:
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Fine. But Qui-Gon fan fics have little to do with the topic of this thread.

Did I hurt your feelings?
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Don't flatter yourself.

Can we get back on topic please?

Well, you responded, so I guess I should feel flattered...

And no, we can't get back on topic

 

Anakin would've seen the whole truth, that it was Palpatine who attacked. All Anakin saw was Palpatine huddled defenseless in a corner with Mace Windu standing over him.

 

Mace Windu knew that Sidious had attempted to convert Anakin, as he had told him his identidy and let him go. He was worried that Anakin would try and defend Sidious if he had been there, in the novel there is this -

Yoda - What about Skywalker?
Windu - Too much of a risk. I am the fourth.

Windu knows it is a "risk" - but it was not certain whether Anakin would betray him there... however it was not certain when he arrived either.

 

It was Anakin's destiny.

 

It was Anakin's destiny.

No, I believe Anakin chose the Darkside. He could have easily helped Mace, or even stayed at the Jedi Temple.

 

Exactly. It was not destiny, it was a CHOICE. Lucas is quite clear on that.

 

there was a deleted scene where anakin was with mace during his duel with palpatine, and he turned, so yes he would have turned anyway

 

Now that's your Uncle talking... LOL . I think Anakin would've turned, whether or not he did go to arrest Palpatine. It was the whole principle of this: if Palpatine was in any way incapacitated, Anakin figures he will be less inclined to help with Padme. Windu had execution on his mind, and that is one method of incapacitation that just won't do if you ever wanted to get help from the slain. Palpatine had it all worked out, even before Qui-Gon was killed: Anakin is loyal, and he is needy. He needs help, and will do anything to gain that help. If he must join the Sith, well then, so be it.

/Kev Miller

 

By the time Mace and the other Jedi were preparing to leave to go arrest Palpatine, Anakin had already decided that he would do whatever it took to save Padme's life. He was so afraid of losing Padme, his attachment to her caused him to forsake everything he believed in. Sidious told him that he could save Padme if he turned to the Dark Side, so what did Anakin do?...HE TURNED TO THE DARK SIDE! The only thing that mattered to him was saving Padme, and he was willing to do that by any means possible.

 

Obi_Frans

I agree completely with your long post!