Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

I have no problem with the image itself. It's quite beautiful.

The admins who did this prank fail to realize why it was offensive. First, it wasn't funny. Second, it was immature. Third, the "jokes" alienated at least one half of Star Wars fans. Fourth, it proves the stereotype of geek guys not giving a crap about women's feelings and wanting us to get back in the kitchen, so to speak.

I saw that and thought why do I even bother with this fandom. How many straight white men have been made to feel that way because people were being exclusionary toward them? Probably not many. (If you have, I am very sorry. It really sucks.) I've liked Star Wars for 22 years. I run a podcast and blog. I've written fanfic. I've attended cons. I've been on panels. Why do some people insist I don't belong? Why should ANYONE feel that way as a result of someone else in the fandom?

 

I am who I am, I make no apologies for it. I'll do what needs to be done, even if I have to destroy the village in order to save it.

 

Something I really don't understand is how Americans seems to believe that children need to be protected from female nipples. It is not like they spend the first 6-24 months of there life with there mouth around one at every opportunity they get

 

"If you were a fictional character you would be Ramona Flowers."

I don't even know who that is and already it's the best pickup line I've ever heard.

 

The basement dwelling manchildren who only hang out with the other nerds because no one else will have them?

You have no idea. Lots of guys picked last in football, yknow?

I mean, these are guys who, according to discussions like this one, are not even classy enough to make it at a science fiction convention.

 

my bold



you need to go watch this movie immediately


Or buy the comic it is based on

 

Speaking for myself, the issue isn't having a Wookieepedia article on breasts or any body part, really. I maintain that they do have biological and social value with what's been established in the universe. The issue is that, no sooner than a battle was fought and won to get to display the Aayla portrait under the premise of an artistic nude in order to adequately illustrate the article's subject...a portion of the community, however small, turned right around and used the image, article, and accompanying quotes to make an incredibly juvenile series of crass boob jokes that were not only in poor taste, but offended more than it seems to have amused.

 

I want to make it clear again:

I don't want to remove that article. I want to keep the article. There is nothing wrong with having the article!

However, the article could stand to see some improvement. I would like to see it be improved. Not removed, not censored, not anything like that. IMPROVED.

I feel it would benefit from having supplementary information in the BTS and the overall tone and organization needs cleaned up. I will work on cleaning up that article for the sake of keeping it, because I feel it has a place and can be informative.

The article is not the problem. The image is not the problem. They are not the problem. I hope I have finally made that clear.

 

I admire your dedication, but fetch isn't going to happen.

 

Also, technically, only one guy gets picked last.

 

I'm not sure that even you know what you're talking about at this point. Thanks for stopping by!

Edit: And just to prove my original point... Club Jade is back on the list, because:

"You did NOT have authority to remove the link, DC. Reverted."

 

Thanks to the internet and science fiction conventions, all the guys who get picked last can come together and bond over how much they hate everyone else.

And their shared love of looking at pictures of redheads in catsuits.

 

I'll watch anything starring Jesse Eisenberg, I loved him in that Facebook movie.

 

By itself, I'd probably roll my eyes and say, "Typical." It's pointless and I don't see why it deserves an article, but I wouldn't make a stink about it. (I do, however, question why there's no penis article when Xizor's package is prominently displayed in Shadows of the Empire. I would imagine it's because the word is not explicitly mentioned, but come on, we all know the real reason.)

The AFD article is what really made me angry, and proves the point of why the article really isn't necessary.[/quote]

 

Are you sure you're not confusing a chan with a convention?

And this isn't scientific...but I'm pretty sure more people than just nerds (male or female) want to sex up ScarJo in a catsuit.

 

This is what the Internet is for: exploring ourselves and our desires, in an environment where one can be anonymous and, thus, not be ridiculed. Well, this is what it should be for.

But then I remember the Greater Internet Dickwad Theory.

 

The Wook's April Fools Day Jokes have become nothing short of ****shows the last few years. In the past, the joke-of-the-day would always be limited to something cute on the Main Page (like "Katarnapedia," replacing all the text with Aurebesh, etc) and a few other minor things, all of which were set up or approved by administrators. In 2012 the joke was "Fanon is now allowed on Wookieepedia," which opened the door to anyone and everyone editing whatever page they wanted for the sake of adding anything they thought was funny. That opened a door that shouldn't have been opened, and now every April 1st brings a swarm of users making non-admin/community-approved edits to whatever pages they want. Certain pages get slandered every year by childish and overzealous users, and the site descends into a playground for those with the maturity level of seven-year-olds.

Sorry, had to rant. Probably not productive to the discussion, but I figured some historical context on how April Fools Day has degenerated into something with zero oversight might be helpful. Keep in mind that I'm absolutely NOT providing it as an excuse. The site needs to reel in some of its users and habits, but I have little faith that it will.

 

So there's a new breast vote going on. Note that anyone can add their thoughts but you have to be a currently-active user per their vote-farming policy for your vote to count.

 

See, I assume the theory is always in place. Go to any news article, YouTube video or other publicly accessible forum and scroll to the comments. Things like the mindset behind the Wook Fool's Day fiasco are the rule by and large, it's hardly a unique phenomenon. Assuming the worst makes the few bastions of sanity (like this forum and this thread in particular) that much more refreshing.

 

De jure? Be a member in good standing with a sufficient number of edits, create a Trash Compactor thread for the article with compelling arguments for the article's merging or deletion, and then reach a consensus to merge or delete.

De facto? Send ninjas to kill all the admins and a good chunk of the power users, or destroy Wikia's servers.

That's my read, as well. I had no hand in it, but that whole response is pretty much the tack I would have taken had I been responsible for trying to clean this mess up.

They probably don't need to know the definition, but there's a lot to be said for how our earthly understanding of mammaries doesn't apply to the Star Wars universe. Thanks to artists overly-relying on them as lazy one-stop-shopping for all their sex/gender identification needs, species from across the biological continuum have them, not just mammals.

While I can see why you're saying that, I think there's a nebulous zone between both those positions where a lot of those most adamant about this article's existence reside. There really is a sense that censorship is bad and this article helps fight the good fight by existing.

In a galaxy where we can't take real-world science for granted, "quantum uncertainty" is pretty much exactly where things stand, though I imagine a close reading of some of Stackpole's novels might let us smooth out the quantum foam a bit.

If he wanted that to remain canon, he should have dressed Leia a bit differently in Return of the Jedi.

Looks like one of our admins did, and then another admin, one of our founders, thankfully took up the cause of reverting and chastising him.

I'd vote against such a policy, as it would clear out this entire category, most of which clearly deserve to exist as articles. Unless you can find some reason to leave out human anatomy that isn't based in humanocentrism or out-of-universe reasoning, human body parts should be in there, too.

Trak, Culator would rather burn the Wook to the ground than give Wikia the time of day. (I wrote this sentence before I got to his post talking about having "to destroy the village in order to save it," which should tell you something about how consistent he's been in this opinion.)

Actually, I'd say that's exactly the real reason. After the original Trash compactor for Breast pointed out the absence of a penis article, people went looking in earnest for references to them, but since the word wasn't explicitly mentioned, they (and their search function on their ebooks) came up empty handed.

I would not be surprised if someone added an "unidentified Falleen anatomical bulge" article soon, now that you've pointed out its existence. (Rest assured it won't be me. I don't have time to add worthwhile articles to the Wook right now, let alone ones like that.)

 

Eh, I considered digging up the wook thread a few hours ago, but I was too lazy. This is still more on topic than a few days ago.

I get that, but surely it could be a list article or something if you really wanted the info on there. There's one for measurement units already--does "inch" really require its own article?

 

Double post.

 

Ah, I see. So part of being diverse is acknowledging and, oh no...celebrating the dickwads out there!

Who knew?