Is Ben Skywalker really a Skywalker?

I'm as big a fan of discussing far-out theories for the humor value if nothing else, but the argument of your first post just doesn't make sense.

Exhibit A: Luke Skywalker had a myriad of shall we say 'friends' from the ESB all the way to the end of the Bantam EU. ie. Mara, Callista, Akanah, Shira, Mary, etc.
None of them had any luck with being pregnant. This would suggest that maybe Luke needs to visit a certain type of physician.

This one has been beaten to death in this thread, so I'll just add that any male reading this who has had multiple, ah... partners... and none of whom have become pregnant... by this logic, you are hereby sterile. And if any of you are married and have children, and had multiple partners prior to your marriage who did not become pregnant... it seems that you need to have a chat with your wife.

Exhibit B: Mara only had Ben in Edge of Victory rebirth, at a time when bringing a baby out to the universe isn't really that convenient.ie there aren't really time. Now look at the babyboomers in real life. They were born after the war.


The one that has been less-addressed, I think... your argument is that Luke and Mara had no time to get it on, as it were, so Luke being Ben's father is an iffy proposition- but it takes two to tango and MARA apparently had time to get it on (with Luke or otherwise) so, ah... I think that completely invalidates what you're trying to say, unless I'm misunderstanding Exhibit B.

 

There's no mystery here. Luke and Mara got married and Luke had the Academy his deacdes long dream. He was married a few years and Mara got the coomb spores. Then she was fighting just to survive.

IMO she never would have had kids unless Vergere didn't give her the tears. They rejuvenated her a lot more than average. But stress is the biggest contributor to infertility in women. Mara had stress all the time. She was an uptight, defensive person. When she got her life back she was happy, and having children was on her mind even in Vector Prime.

It's not like we didn't witness these events.

 

I would say that Del Rey would be crazy to do this...but I thought the same thing about killing off their most popular female character.

And yes, Ben is Luke's. In addition to all the arguments put forth in this thread, I'd think that the Grand Master of the Jedi Order would be able to sense if his son wasn't really his son.

 

Maul is actually Palpatine's cloneson. I blame dark side alchemy.

 

haha, yes there really is no doubt at all that Ben is Luke's

One would think that if as a Force novice in RotJ that Luke could feel that Leia was his sister, it is beyond absurd to think that Jedi Master Luke could not feel that Ben was not really his son.

Also, its beyond absurd to think the Mara would not ever feel guilt over having another mans son as well as cheating on her husband to the point where no one ever feels it


Essentially the original post is saying, not so much is Ben really a Skywalker, but is Luke just an idiot?

 

Not true, there's quite a bit that's happened right under Luke's nose that he hasn't been able to sense.

 

'Is my nephew a Sith Lord? Nah...'

 

I'm not saying Luke is infallible. I'm saying Luke would be able to sense if his son was not truly his own.

I don't know why I'm even arguing this, because the idea of Mara cheating on Luke in the first place is ridiculous.

 

Actually, Luke could sense Jacen had been going off the deep end- he just had Mara shoot him down forcefully every time he tried to bring it up. I think the onus is on Mara here for fighting so hard to convince Luke that he was wrong about Jacen going down the dark path every single time the subject came up.

Which is still horrendous characterization either way, given Mara's experience with the dark side in those around her (Palpatine, and having to bring Kyle Katarn back, having her apprentice (Jaina) temporarily go to the dark side, etc.).

So this example is more like,

Luke: I think my nephew's going to the dark si-
Mara: He's just having girlfriend troubles.
Luke: But-
Mara: GIRLFRIEND TROUBLES. END DISCUSSION.

 

i'd say there is a difference between a Sith Lord actively hiding his intentions from Luke vs recognizing his own son through the Force

Luke is definitely not infalliable, but unless we are now going to say that Mara was actively hiding her affair from Luke for years, i dont see how this relates at all



and i do agree, this is a ridiculous debate to take seriously

 

I'm sure along with hyper drives and clones and artificial limbs they have simple paternity tests.

 

Maybe but maybe not. If there's a thread of doubt to be pulled on then no stone should go unturned.

After all if he's the product of Marakin then he still has Skywalker blood in him anyway. We don't know how difficult it is to distinguish especially if he's not looking for it. Maybe Luke engages in a force bond with him any way because he thinks he's his son and actively deludes himself over the years.

 

Why is Luke shaking Jacen's hand in good will when he's crashing Mara's funeral and playing Luke for a fool?

 

Yeah no.

 

talk about your twist endings to FotJ

its like the end of the Sixth Sense, except stupid and makes no sense at all

 

Because it's been established that Luke was not in his right mind in the immediate period after Mara's death? I mean, Ben proved pretty conclusively that Luke was suffering a major case of depression as I recall (again, another questionable characterization choice), and Luke was held back from facing Jacen himself a second time due to emotional and Force-based reasons.

 

Maybe Luke's not in his right state of mind following Ben's birth. The birth of your supposed son is an emotional event mixed with the idea that he had the gruesome Vong war engulfing the galaxy he's sworn to protect.

It can make sense and there's pieces there from 'Balance Point'. You don't want it to be true though. Me though, I think a baby's daddy plot line is just what EU needs to wake up from it's stupor.

 

Ben Skywalker is the son of Luke and Mara. really, how hard is it to simply accept this?

 

You can accept it, I feel unconvinced with evidence.

 

Your problem, not mine nor the EU.

 

Jon,

You cannot say it's his/her problem. He/she is entitled to his opinion, just like you are yours. It is not a problem to think that Ben is not Luke's son when indeed the EU presents the possibility. Otherwise there would not be any shred of reasonable doubt about Ben's parentage; which there are.

Edit: I myself have presented a possible fix/retcon where a Skywalker kid via one of Luke's many ex-girlfriends is killed, or maybe even have Mara have a miscarriage sometime between Survivor's Quest
and Vector Prime. Anyone wants to shut down this discussion one way or the other could petition Lucasbooks commission such a story. Because the way itès written right now Luke Skywalker does seem to have certain problems in the reproduction department.

And those who scream off Birth Control!!!! consider, an otherwise healthy man gets married. Six years no cigar, a war brokes off, during which time he and his wife is separated, and during which a confirmed Sith offers her excrement to his wife, and voila his wife, dying of coomb spores, suddenly gets pregnant with his son. And then during which what is it, ten years plus before her death, not another peep. People, please do the math.

 

No matter how much massive evidence is presented for something, no matter how overwhelming, some people can't just let it go. Ben is Luke and Mara's son, simple as that. SHe felt them both in him. He's listed as their son in books and guides. Case closed and locked.

 

right, guides....

I lost my faiths in guides when a guide that said Darovit engaged Zannah in a deadly duel.
It didnèt kriffing say that he got killed in that duel, by someone else.
As long as Darovit survived, which that particular guide strongly implied so, there was good in Rain. But no more. No more faiths in OOU guides.

 

How do you explain Cade if Skywalker blood doesn't carry on through Ben? Ya can't.