Is the CT dragging down the overall quality of the saga?

Unfortunately, some people can't get over the choice of other people to point out and discuss these flaws. If this thread is to exist until people stop complaining about the PT, then this thread is going to be here for quite a while.

"Yeah, because having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours in no way affects my credibility."

Oh, no, no. Once again, it's not your "opinion" that is undermining your credibility, but your complete inability/refusal to back it up despite years of claims to do so. There's a tremendous distinction here.

But, as you always say (when the going gets tough), this is off-topic, so you can drop it now.

 

Whoops, wrong thread


Rick McCallum loves you!

 

Yeah, now that MeBeJedi got the last word in, let's suddenly remember the topic of the thread.

What else could they be altering for the classic trilogy release? I hear the Rancor looks better, that Jabba has been redone in ANH, that the sabers have all been fixed. I even heard that the Luke/Binary Sunset scene has been improved.

I hope they fix the emperor's eye slugs, the boxes around the ships in space, and the uncanny ability for ships in the space portion of the battle of endor to blip in and out of existance.

 

...and yet LD sales of Star Wars on E-bay are still going strong.

 

I hear the Rancor looks better, that Jabba has been redone in ANH, that the sabers have all been fixed.

Amen.

...Binary Sunset has been improved.

good god, it's perfect. why fix it?

 

...and yet LD sales of Star Wars on E-bay are still going strong.

But that's impossible! I mean, improved SW and all coming out in just a few short months! How can this be?

 

"...Binary Sunset has been improved."

"good god, it's perfect. why fix it?"

No, no, no, no....this Binary Sunset.

 

Apparently there were twho shots of the twin suns. In one shot, there are a lot of clouds, while there aren't many clouds in the other shot. They are balancing out the cloud cover so both shots look like they were taken on the same day.

This is not unlike the change in the SE version when Luke is looking out into the desert with binoculars for R-2. In that shot, one angle had a purplish sky, while the other had a light blue sky. They changed it so both shots had the same kind of sky.

Actually, I am the one buying up the THX versions on Laserdisc. If any of you guys want one, you'll have to pay through the nose.

 

..and you'll find that OT fans are more willing to do so.

[Luke] "I've never seen such devotion in a fan before." [/Luke]

 

Please tell me they aren't tweaking the Hue of the sky - like they did in some of the earlier R2D2/Canyon shots on Tatooine for the SE...

That worked in a couple places, but in one shot - it is just too much....

 

I think you should just prepare yourself for your worst pre conceived fears to come true.

 

Why Gomer?

Why change the one scene that almost everybody in the world loves and adores? If 30 years of viewer find it compelling and perfect, why change that?

 

EDIT: wrong scene, never mind



Rick McCallum loves you!

 

If Lucas is the one who thinks it needs to be changed, then the rest of the world doesn't matter now does it?

 

If Lucas really feels that way, that is sad.

A person with no care for his fellow-man, or the people who have supported him and praised him, who've been loyal fans and consumers.

When I frequent a restaurant and it turns from welcoming to rude, I stop going - no matter how much I like the food. Sure enough, a year later - it is usually closed.

I really find it hard to believe that Lucas has become so selfish about his vision, that he doesn't care about anybody but himself.

 

Think about the last line in your post.

He is being "selfish" about "his vision"?

This isn't "your" vision, this is Lucas' story.

Go come up with your own vision if his isn't cutting it for you.

This isn't sad for Lucas, this isn't sad for his fans, it's only sad for SOME of his fans who have somehow conned themselves into thinking it was their story he is "messing with".

 

No. You said, that it is his 'vision' and nobody else in the world matters.

Does nobody else matter?

Because that is WHAT YOU SAID, and that is what I said was sad.

 

When it comes to HIS VISION, nobody else does matter.

He is an artist, and he knows how he wants this story to be.

He is lucky that enough people like what he is doing that the pepople who don't aren't really an issue for him.

 

Yes. And this is what I said was 'sad.'

Because he knows many loyal fans have remained by his original vision, and to turn his back on them - and say, "Like it or not, tough turkey." Is both sad and selfish.

Once you become famous and powerful - a cultural influence, you become responsible. The luxury of selfishness comes at a cost. Star Wars isn't necessarily just Lucas's anymore - it is part of American culture and generations.

To thumb your nose at that, regardless of whether or not he created it to begin with, is 'sad.' It shows no respect for other people in this world.

Star Wars is made up of many themes. It's not just one little simple parable. One is our relationship to machines, which are fearful, but also benign. Then there is the lesson of friendship and symbiotic relationships, of your obligations to your fellow-man, to other people that are around you. ...

...The importance of, say, friendship and loyalty. Most people look at that and say, "How corny." But the issues of friendship and loyalty are very, very important to the way we live, and somebody has got to tell young people that these are very important values.
-- George Lucas from Bill Moyer's interview 1999. "Of Myth and Men." Time. 26 Apr. Vol 153. Issue 16. p 90

Now that he has achieved the level of power that he has, and Star Wars has grown so influential to this society; HE has an obligation to fulfill. He should live by his own words....

 

lol

George is actually improving (fact not fiction, the change to the binary sunset scene actually makes sense) and still he can do no good.

Only with Star Wars "fans"...

 

Hudnal, If you were truly standing behind his "original vision" then you would applaud him for taking the time to bring these films closer to that.

But instead, many "fans" have turned their backs on Lucas. Getting all bent out of shape whenever anything changes in these films, most of the time claiming there is no reason behind what he is doing without actually taking any effort at all to try and understand WHY he is making the changes he is making.

You know, people have to learn how to get on with their lives. They have to learn how to let go of the past and cope with whatever changes the future brings.

If that's the only thing Lucas teaches people on this planet with these changes to the classic trilogy, then he is doing the world a great service.

And just to remind you, not all SW fans are unhappy with the changes he is making.

Some of us love him for it.

 

Again, your making assessments about my views that aren't there.

I'm an avid SE supporter. I saw ANH SE 15 times at the theatres. 99.9% of the changes were improvements.

I'm all for more.

But, when you have something 'perfect' like the Binary Sunset scene? A scene that is one of the most loved scenes in cinema history.

Why mess with it?

And regardless of whether he likes it or not, he does carry a responsibility now. One that is inherit with power and influence. One that limits his 'freedom' to do as he chooses, unless he has decided to walk the path of his most famous villain.

 

I have news for you. "Prefection" is an unobtainable goal.

While I loved that scene just the way it was, the fact remains that observant viewers can tell it was shot on two separate days, with two separate cloud conditions.

It's still going to have Luke all frustrated about being stuck on Tatooine, it's still going to have William's brilliant score, and there will still be two suns in the shots.

He is just making them consistent with each other.

 

Adding clouds in unnoticeable.

Changing the hue of the sky changes the mood of the scene. What you see affects what you feel.

 

Who says he is changing the hues? From what I understand he is just balancing out the cloud cover.

Comparing him to Darth Vader because he chooses to try and make HIS OWN MOVIES more the way he was trying to make them in the first place is where the selfishness is coming into play if you ask me.

Did he need your advice while he was coming up with the original releases? Why should he take that into consideration now that he is sprucing them up?

He is the guy telling the story. If you suddenly don't like the story anymore just because Lucas had the gall to go against your sensibilities with these updates, then by all means go find another set of movies you can deal with.

But Lucas is under no obligation to cater to the tastes of an entire planet which differs from person to person.

You paid for a ticket to see the original trilogy, you got to see the original trilogy. You bought it on Video on one of the vhs releases, you got the VHS releases.

END OF TRANSACTION.

It's not like you were buying stock in Lucasfilm or anything.