ST Kelly Marie Tran (Rose Tico) in TLJ

As Plinkett says:

Han fails because he faces great challenges.

Finn and Rose fail because they act stupid.

 

You just reminded me of another simple but clear reason Han and Leia in ESB =/= Finn and Rose in TLJ: they’re running from Vader the whole time. The primary villain of the film is engaging in a cat and mouse game of survival with Han and Leia. The equivalent would be if while Rey was off with Luke, our primary antagonist was busy with Finn and Rose.

I briefly touched on this before, but I’ll say it again: you can’t put the primary antagonist and protagonist off isolated in their own little story, with a full on walking, talking prop that forgets she has any characterization outside of listening to these two strangers opine on their super!deep!thoughts! Or rather, you can, but then don’t expect anyone to think the, as you say, subplot of a subplot that none of the above three know or care about, matters to the larger story. It doesn’t. Nothing at all in the story would have to change if you take it out, besides a line of Hux to somebody on the bridge saying, “look for cloaked ships!”

Which just reminds me, Han and Leia were running from and caught by Vader, while Finn and Rose were got caught by Hux after running from no one because they escaped the inescapable space chase no problem. The script treats Hux as a total and complete joke that the audience absolutely should not be afraid of, so that further detracts from the credibility of their story. When Han walked into that dining room with Vader sitting there, it was cinematically terrifying in such a brilliant way. It was daylight on this beautiful city with no suspenseful music leading the audience to feel that something was coming, and out of nowhere there he was.

 

MODified: No

 

Wow what a thread killer.

 

Sorry about that. People of course are free to like and dislike whatever they choose. I usually focus more on things I enjoy and ignore things I don't. I'll try to do better job of limiting my defense of Rose to something short of what is considered baiting.

#RoseLives!

 

I liked Rose in the TLJ movie. I'm reading the novelization at the moment though and she seems to be a bit jealous of Rey without having even met her because of Finn's connection with her. I hope this isn't followed up on in EP9 with a love triangle or it could change her character in a bad way for me.

 

I like Kelly Marie Tran and I'm sure she performed Rose the way RJ wanted, I just didn't like the material he gave her. It makes me wonder if her character will seem disjointed in a way similar to that of Rey and Poe (between TFA and TLJ) if JJ and company write better material for Rose.

 

KMT was fine in the role - acted well. The character just felt shoved into the story without much purpose. And I didnt buy her and Finn's relationship, so that was another problem - more with the movie and the directing/execution rather than KMT.

 

I think that's true. But not exclusive to KMT sadly, the three main leads give really good performances, even the OG trio of Carrie, Mark and Harrison give probably their best performances as their respective characters... BUT given weak material to work with. The relationship thing is a good example, they clearly have a good friendship building up and a mutual respect but BAM! smooch out of basically nowhere. No wonder Finn looked baffled.

There were good moments and KMT gave a good performance - her moment on Canto Bight was affecting and well performed regardless of it's actual effect on the storyline overall. She had good chemistry with John Boyega, but it wasn't romantic chemistry until suddenly it was (or rather, that it was meant to be.)

 

It wasn't ever meant to be romantic chemistry. Rose is crushing on Finn, but Finn is oblivious.

 

I've seen TLJ numerous times, and I'm still not sure what Rose's job in the Resistance is. Why not make her the codebreaker/hacker? Give her some kind of talent other than spunk!

 

Right, but the relationship was more about them moving past their first meeting and eventually becoming friends. There was nothing to indicate anything more than platonic until Rose lays a smacker on a confused Finn. Not that this was anything to blame KMT for, it literally came out of nowhere.

 

Hello, the writer made me a mechanic for no reason.

Incompetence.

Give Rian a trilogy!

 

Isn't that a pretty standard and necessary role in most movies? Not every character gets entirely fleshed out. And you wouldn't want them to. Her role is to give exposition and move Finn's story along.

 

Because then Finn and her wouldn't have an adventure or journey into an unknown world.

 

This is the worst element of TLJ. It's not just Rose, though. It's multiple characters spelling out the themes. Rian has Leia do it. Poe. Yoda. DJ. Etc. It's almost as if he didn't trust that the themes he was promoting would be naturally conveyed...

It's odd to me, because as far as I am aware, his other films feature almost no theme-speaking at all.

 

An adventure that turned out to be completely pointless since Holdo saved the day for the resistance in the end.

@A Chorus of Disapproval
I never would have thought I'd ever see a reference to Don't be a Menance on a star wars message board. LOL

 

He saw how the other side of the galaxy was living. I'd hate for only Rey to go to an unknown world (Ahch-To) while Finn doesn't. Plus he fought and defeated Phasma to death.

 

Dude, are you for real? Can you even imagine the thought process required to think that this is a logical area to focus on with Finn's character at all given his origins?

"Wow, these kids are basically used for child labor. It's amazing that I, an indoctrinated child soldier who was bred for the sole purpose of being a pawn of a military junta, had no idea about the kind of cruelty present in the galaxy until this very moment."