M. Night Shyamalan´s movies thread

I liked Unbreakable but I hated the big twist ending that Bruce Willis really wasn't a super hero.

I think Shamalamadingdong is going to have a tough time recovering from The Village is shot off the same script that was floating around the internet last month, egads that was horrible and the twist ending, oy vey!

Oh well, Crazy ***** White people

 

Most people don't remember Unbreakable now, so what's going to change in 20 years?

I don't know why you seem to think most people don't remember it now.

Anyway, I think like "Blade Runner" and Hitchock's "Frenzy" (both movies that generated a lot of mixed opinions when first released) it will be remembered more fondly as time goes by.

I liked Unbreakable but I hated the big twist ending that Bruce Willis really wasn't a super hero.

What are you talking about? He was really a superhero. The twist was that Mr. Glass was evil.

 

Sorry StarDude but you missed it, Willis really isn't a superhero.
There was no conclusive proof through the entire movie he was except him lifting weights, and we never really see how much we just hear "All of it" which could be anything, and a brief vision he has that someone has a gun, as any cop will tell you is common among law enforcement.

The real twist, please don't read any further if you haven't seen it, is that Mr. Glass killed all those people for nothing, Bruce Willis's character became convinced he actually was a super hero when in the end he was just a normal man confused by the sadistic acts of a killer.

 

That's not true. M. Night Shyamalan was talking about doing sequels with his life has a superhero. Hold on, I'll dig up the interview.

You missed the twist.

 

Here we go.

M. Night Shyamalan has told Entertainment Weekly that he can't make up his mind whether to do a sequel to Unbreakable or not. "I keep struggling with whether to do it or not. It's hard because I feel a little upset that it split audiences, but I'd love to see what that guy's life is like now. How does he orchestrate his life so that he doesn't touch people?" he adds, "And then his wife doesn't know, but [his] kid knows that dad's a superhero - that's so f---ing fun! I'd love to do that." Well, Night, let me make up your mind for you. DO IT!


David Dunn is a superhero.

 

signs has been my favourite night film so far...

 

No I'm sorry my friend that doesn't prove anything, if you wanted to make an argument that Mr. Glass was in fact a super hero I could buy what your saying, but there is nothing in the movie to show us that Bruce's character is in fact a super hero. Can you name me anything particularly super hero like he does?
He can't even be in water no?

 

How about the seen where he's touching people and seeing the bad things that they've done?

Anyone want to back me up here?

He can't even be in water no?

Watch the movie again. Mr. Glass explains that the water is like his Kryptonite. He is effected by it the same way we're all effected by it.


And what are you talking about when you say that Shyamalan (writer and director) quote doesn't prove anything? How does it not prove anything?

 

I think Dunn is a superhero though maybe not in the classical sense. At least that is what the movie implies. He is struggling to accept his gift and use it to help mankind which is a struggle a number of superhero characters had to make. He has yet to truly become the hero he is meant to be, but Unbreakable is about starting on the path, not the end of the journey.

 

The director is obviously toying with the interviewer who like yourself was fooled by the fake twist, or as it's know in theatre terms, a double character arch. Trust me, I have studied acting for over two years at my community college and this is a known plot technique.

You have to rewatch the movie to notice that he really does nothing at all, nothing super hero like in the least. He can't fly, he can't swim, he can't even run fast as we see in the movie.
His only supposed ability is to touch people and see something, even though we never really know if it's real, or he can lift all the weights he has in his garage.
That's no super hero my friend, trust me rewatch the movie with this in mind and you will notice all the little hints.

 

The director is obviously toying with the interviewer who like yourself was fooled by the fake twist, or as it's know in theatre terms, a double character arch. Trust me, I have studied acting for over two years at my community college and this is a known plot technique.

You have to rewatch the movie to notice that he really does nothing at all, nothing super hero like in the least. He can't fly, he can't swim, he can't even run fast as we see in the movie.
His only supposed ability is to touch people and see something, even though we never really know if it's real, or he can lift all the weights he has in his garage.
That's no super hero my friend, trust me rewatch the movie with this in mind and you will notice all the little hints.


Are you for real?

Well, I'm not quite in college yet. I'm on my way in September. And I took two AP English classes in High School. So stop questioning my intelligence.

Anyway, why do you say Shyamalan was obviously fooling with the interviewer? There's no logic there. I just think you got proved wrong and can't admit it.

Anyway, about David not doing anything "superhero-like" -- it's because Shyamalan didn't want to make it flashy. He wanted it to be a realistic depiction of superheroes. His gift is that he can sense when someone has done something wrong, and the fact that he's Unbreakable.

If you want, I'll find another quote.

 

He wanted it to be a realistic depiction of superheroes.

And you got one, they don't exist! How can you not see this?
M. Nite is obviously amused that other people have also not seen this, it's beyond obvious in the movie.
Think of what your arguing to me, your saying this super hero has no super powers other than he seems unbreakable except we have zero proof of even this except he survived a few wrecks which anyone who has driven for a few years has done. That does not make someone a super hero.

Night is a very complicated director and this is why I love his work, but you have to realize there are deeper sub texts of his movies that are not specifically spelled out, that's why I made the reference to my theatre background, I am readily able to recognize these where the non Thespian might miss them.

 

I honestly think you're messing with me.

There's no way you got that from seeing the movie. Please, back it up.

 

Your asking me to back up that he isn't a super hero? Watch the movie? That's like asking me to back up that Rocky is just a regular fighter and not a super hero no?
Bruce's character is lucky, his character does nothing super human or extraordinary, let me repeat that nothing super hero like. All super heros have a special ability, they can often fly, turn invisible, or at the least construct a cool suit like Batman.
His character does nothing, he has no suit, no demonstrated powers, nothing. All he has is a crazy killer who is trying to justify his own psychosis with proof that his polar opposite does exist, in reality it doesn't.

I would seriously recommend rewatching the film, you have missed a very juicy part of it.

 

He's not lucky! YOU WATCH THE MOVIE! It's one of my favorites, I've seen it numerous times.

I bet you I've noticed more than you. For instance, notice how in many shots Mr. Glass is shown through a window or a reflection. Most people don't notice that.

Don't act like it's blatantly obvious. He is a superhero. If an M. Night Shyamalan quote isn't good enough for you, ask people who've seen the movie. Heck, look at critic's reviews. Look at the Bruce Willis' chat about the possibility of an Unbreakable 2. DAVID DUNN IS A SUPERHERO!

YOU'RE CAUSING ME TO LOSE MY TEMPER. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE BANNED. SO I'M DONE.

I'M OUT!

 

Please relax my friend, this is nothing to get arsed about. I remember my days being an understudy when I misinterpreted the entire second act of Othello, I won't bore you with the story there but I still get ribbed about it to this day.

To prove your point you have done two things, you have talked about Mr. Glass which has nothing to do with Willis being a super hero, and you have told me it's obvious but offered zero proof except one out of context quote by Night.

Think back to Signs, it's really a movie about a man's faith in God, not aliens or an invasion.
This movie follows the same pattern, it is about a man's deadly obsession to prove there is someone out there that is his opposite. It so over takes his character he starts convincing us that Willis could be a super hero and Night teases us with hints it could be true, but never reveals anything super hero like about the character, it is all implied my friend.
I am surprised you don't recognize this as the same plot device used in The 6th sense, once again Bruce's character thinks he is something he is really not.

The character from Unbreakable is no more a super hero than the character from the 6th sense is alive.

 

But you have no basis for saying that that quote was out of context. I've offered evidence. You've offered none.

 

The guy in Unbreakable does have superpowers-- remember the car wreck? The train wreck where everybody died and he escaped without even minor injury?

 

stardude we all know that dunn is the "super hero" i think bane is just trying to piss you off.

There is more than enough evidence to support your points. Its very clearly put and if you watch the special features its very clearly put as well. The only reason i can see DArthBanes argument as valid is if he just didn't get the movie or is just wants to argue.

 

Finally some support in here.

 

i do agree with BANE on the signs. Its not an "alien" movie. Its about a mans faith. Sixth Sense is about a mans Doubt or rejection. But Each of MNS movies have a differnt theme.

I really enjoyed unbreakable. most people didn't. I think MNS is a great filmaker. I've been waiting for Village to come out and after that i an't wait till his next one.

 

i do agree with BANE on the signs. Its not an "alien" movie. Its about a mans faith. Sixth Sense is about a mans Doubt or rejection. But Each of MNS movies have a differnt theme.

Well, there's no disagreement there.

 

Stardude is correct.

 

liked Unbreakable but I hated the big twist ending that Bruce Willis really wasn't a super hero.

Hate to be disagreeable but I think you missed it.

I am a huge fan of Night's. And At one point the killer backs him in to a wall and he made a huge dent- that was on purpse to show his soildarity. Also the touch sense of evil that he picked up on. And yes I have seen Night speak twice on Unbreakable(and I love it too, which is not popular) and the cool thing was supposed to be that he was a superhero, his kid believed in him and he was right! Hence the ending and Bruce shushing him after he slid him the paper.

Watch it again bro, its all there. And I'm aware of false revelations in films. And endings just to let you decide for yourself, but this is not the case. He wrote a super hero movie and even started it with the whole comic book lead in intro.

Bruce's character had beyond normal senses, (the touch) strength(the car door, the weights) and he even came complete with his kryptonite- water.
Knight used water as a theme in Signs as well.

It's a contrast because water is symbolic as life to us, and it was death to his good guy in one film, and it was death to the bad guys in another.

And yes, Signs was about one man regaining his faith, it was brilliant, and not at all about the aliens.

And for all those who say: Why did they pick earth if they knew the water would kill em?"

I say: Watch War of the Worlds- our air. Again homage to a theme. And the aliens expected to stay out of large areas with bodys of water in them hence their markings away from them. But they were foiled anyway...

Also Night has one recurrent theme in all his films. Bringing families together.

Sith Sense- A single mom and her son.

Unbreakable- A troubled couple about to seperate and their son.

Signs- A man who lost his faith, and regained it as well as his connection to his family-especialy his son. "We are the same."

Night is a genius. Watch the extras on those DVD's. He painted the house in Signs red, white and blue, it's there. To represent the "All American" family.

I can go on and on about Signs: The sherrif asks him: "Father whats wrong?" He replies :"Dont call me father, I don't hear my children."- That was awesome writing a double meaning becasue his kids were silent becasue the dog was dead, but also on the level that he didnt want anyone to keep callin him father because he lost his faith and didnt want to listen to them anymore in that capacity.

Also when they are drivin to town for pizza, notice how they do an aerial shot? It shows what looks to be a Careflight or EMS helicopter landing pad- a big cross shape and then not a block or 2 from is the steeple of a very tall church. That's shown just as they were discussing that the crop circles are markers to be viewed from the air.

So they give us a nice tie in and show a cross visible form the air and then the church.

Brilliant!

DC

 

Well in signs is good. People always bring that up to me when i talk about it. They were invading. It specificaly says that. invading for what reason? I don't know.

unbreakable was ok the first time i watched it and then i bought the three pack and watched it a bunch. It gets better every time.