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Mando'a class (Mandalorian language)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by KarenTraviss, Sep 12, 2005.

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  1. jSarek

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    Wait, you mean there's some OTHER way to pronounce the apostrophe?
     
  2. Trip

    Trip Force Ghost star 4

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    You just... ignore it. Since it's apparently only there look cool. Or something.
     
  3. jSarek

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    I choose to ignore the possibility that someone, somewhere, might have posited this "ignore it" convention, and instead insist that everyone has ALWAYS said it should be pronounced as a glottal stop, even should irrefutable evidence to the contrary be presented.
     
  4. Shevla_Kyramud

    Shevla_Kyramud Jedi Youngling

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    Ori'vor'e!
    The glottal stop? I was never completey sure how to pronounce it.
    (Parer par be'senaar jurkad)
     
  5. jSarek

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    A glottal stop is the little catching of air you do in the middle of "uh-oh" or "uh-uh."
     
  6. Shevla_Kyramud

    Shevla_Kyramud Jedi Youngling

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    Cool. That's pretty much what I imagined it would be, but I was never sure...Ori'vor'e!

    ~Primus
     
  7. Trip

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    Heh, that's what prompted me to ask about this... I downloaded the word list from Traviss's site (it was to source something, okay?) and it includes pronunciation-- and there's no mention of glottal stops, or of anything in relation to the apostrophes. Apparently they're just... there.
     
  8. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

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    I usually ignore them, except if the glottal stop sounds nice in the flow of it. I am not sure aesthetics are an accpeted way to decide on pronunciation, but I'll keep with it until told otherwsie.
    Well, maybe even afterwards.[face_whistling]
     
  9. Shevla_Kyramud

    Shevla_Kyramud Jedi Youngling

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    Karen actually mentions the glottal stop in the grammar guide downloaded separately. She says something about it being there for mando'ade who develop that mannerism in their accent. Really, I think it's mostly their for show, just part of the language. Though it serves it's purpose for those who speak with the glottal stop.
     
  10. Corran_Fett

    Corran_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    http://karentraviss.com/html/newmando.htm

    April '08 Update is there.
     
  11. patchworkz7

    patchworkz7 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Basically, it should be a glottal stop, but people from all over the world are adapting this to their own speech patterns, and the Mandos are known to be a nomadic culture, so basically, the glottal stops are there and technically meant to be used, but if you don't, it's just considered an accent difference. Whether she has ideas about where the accent changes in-universe, I don't know.

    She discovered while working on it in early days that many people either didn't pronounce it or didn't know how to do it, so she just incorporated that into a part of the "accent", and make it almost a vestigial part of the language, made more for showing the addition of modifiers than hard glottal stops, even if the original intention was for them to be glottal stops.
     
  12. Roain_Xantos

    Roain_Xantos Jedi Padawan star 4

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    [face_dancing] *woot*

    Roain <><
     
  13. Milteck

    Milteck Jedi Master star 3

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    I enjoy this post a lot and glad to see it updated.

    The Commando star wars series is in my oppinion the best material that del rey is publishing
     
  14. Etain

    Etain Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Okay, I'm a lazy shebs and not getting anywhere with learing. So anybody around willing to form a kind of group with classwork, taks, deadlines, and all that?

    I'd contact MsLanna, but she's me.:oops:
     
  15. Roain_Xantos

    Roain_Xantos Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There's one I'm supposedly teaching, but it's not really going anywhere because my "students" don't really seem interested...

    Roain <><
     
  16. Etain

    Etain Jedi Youngling star 3

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    And where is that? [face_batting]
     
  17. Roain_Xantos

    Roain_Xantos Jedi Padawan star 4

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  18. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

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    Oh, off-board.
    I don't go there.[face_blush]
     
  19. Roain_Xantos

    Roain_Xantos Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Haha. It's very dangerous. ;)

    Roain <><
     
  20. Gratulor

    Gratulor Jedi Youngling star 2

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    If this thread is going to be continued, I'd like to take a part in that. I've been using the language in my roleplay in Star Wars Galaxies for a year and a half, and sometimes using it exclusively when talking to other like-minded folks. It's becoming a solid language, and definitely easy to learn when you put your mind to it.

    One thing that I've been thinking, when you need the word "should" as in "You should go to Mandalore", you're suggesting. So you could say "Gar slanar bah Manda'yaim", or "Gar lise'slanar bah Manda'yaim" - or "You can go to Mandalore".

    Which one would be closest to correct here? Boggles my mind :p
     
  21. Hand_Of_Mandalor

    Hand_Of_Mandalor Jedi Youngling

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    Hi everyone...sorry i havent been around much
     
  22. Etain

    Etain Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Gratulor : In case of doubt, use context. At least, if possible. Should be clear then if 'You go to Manadolre' is a suggestion or an order. Just my opinion.


    Anotehr thing... buir'ika. I am just contracting that to something that sounds like buir'ka. Because of the 'i' already in buir.

    Thought about that. Should I cease and desist and try it the tongue-twisting way?
     
  23. Roain_Xantos

    Roain_Xantos Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Hrm...there are going to be like your regional differences anyway, so I personally wouldn't worry about a little pronunciation thing like that.

    Roain <><
     
  24. Etain

    Etain Jedi Youngling star 3

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    But if I don't worry about such small things, I'd have to worry about the big issues like

    where's my vocabulary gone to:oops:

    Su'cuy gar.
    Ni gai cuy Lanna.
    Tion gar gai?
    ...


     
  25. Hand_Of_Mandalor

    Hand_Of_Mandalor Jedi Youngling

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    Sorry I havent been on lately....college be kickin my ass
     
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