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Fanclub Mara Jade Skywalker Fan club

Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Jedi_Liz, Dec 27, 2002.

  1. madman007

    madman007 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  2. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    Mara showed everyone why us redhead ladies are not to be messed with :)

    Words do not describe how much I hate Jacen !! :)
     
  3. madman007

    madman007 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh, I have words to describe Jacen (AKA Darth Caedus, aka Darth Wanna-Be). I shant repeat them here, as I am a gentleman.

    But here's the thing: I remember at the time when the book-that-shall-not-be-named came out, Mara fans were pleading for a rewrite or retcon. Well, thanks to Disney, we got it. Of course, instead of just one timeline, they obliterated EVERYTHING!! That sets up Mara Jade fans nicely because now we can stay in our own AU with her alive and well married to Farmboy. At the same time we can appreciate Disney's canon, which I do still love.


    By the way, Darth Aphrodite, nice profile pic! :D
     
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  4. Darth_Elu

    Darth_Elu Chosen One star 7

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    Indeed. They rewrote everything all right! lol :p

    But yes, Mara's death was just…*cringe* Cowardly and poorly done IMO. She deserved to go out in a way much better than that!
     
  5. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    My hate for Jacen is truly endless !!! :) need 3PO and all those millions of forms of communication to get across the vast sea of my loathing !!! :)

    I still think Mara never died but rather just faked her death to go in a deep deep undercover mission Jason Bourne style !

    I love your profile pic too ;) great taste you have sir ! :)
     
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  6. Darth_Elu

    Darth_Elu Chosen One star 7

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    Oh, why thank you! I find it very unique and individualistic. ;)

    *laughs* That would be really nice if Mara did indeed do that…while secretly checking in with her husband, of course. ;)
     
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  7. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    I lost a bit of respect for Luke when he didn't just end Jacen before things went so horribly wrong, I know he's a nice guy but ever since Jedi we knew he had that badass dark streak in him when he wailed on Vader ! :)
     
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  8. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    I think Luke was blinded by the same hope he had for Vader. Since Luke had seen his own father become a Jedi Prodigal and turn from Dark Side, I think he believed Jacen could be redeemed too. :vader:
     
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  9. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    I still think it would of been sweet if he'd whooped his ass :)
     
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  10. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    If Luke had dispatched Darth Cadeus, there would have been no better reason than for love of his wife Mara. :)
     
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  11. madman007

    madman007 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Or if they both went after Darth Caedus together like they promised each other. Instead, Mara just wrote him a note and broke their promise. Oh look, another out-of-character moment forced by the contrived plot.
     
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  12. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Chosen One star 8

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    That little detail bothered me more than anything else. :mad: If they had gone off together and Mara fell in battle, it would have been heartbreaking but IC. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    That book was beyond bad :(
     
  14. Jedi_Liz

    Jedi_Liz Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    It was written by Karen Traviss, a woman who hated the Jedi characters. Never should have hired her.
     
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  15. madman007

    madman007 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You mean Karen "Mandalorians are Superior to Jedi" Travis?

    Although, I will always know her as Karen "I killed Mara Jade" Travis.
     
  16. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    What's she got against the Jedi characters, why have someone write a book on something they hate :(
     
  17. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 42x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    She was hired to write books about the clones. After watching AOTC, she came to certain conclusions - asked questions, got those questions answered, and that picture was what set her views about the Jedi.
     
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  18. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    Oh I see....I still regard Mara's end as one of the greatest SW blunders
     
  19. Amon_Amarth

    Amon_Amarth Force Ghost star 6

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    Karen Traviss did a great job with the Mando culture, her Clone Wars books were fun, but she never made any contributions to the Jedi characters/lore. So she would definitely not have been my choice to write such a defining moment for a fundamental EU character like Mara Jade. Why they didn't go for Stackpole (Union!) or Zahn himself, is beyond me!

    I'll always be grateful for the immense worldbuilding she did concerning the Mandalorians. That was on par with the SW worldbuilding in the days of West End Games. Another great thing about her contribution to SW was that back when she started the Mando'a craze, fictional languages were in, LotR finished a few years ago and everyone was on the Elvish bandwaggon, Trekkies had their Klingon etc, and Traviss gave Star Wars fandom something to finally sink their teeth into apart from a few Huttese swearwords.


    That aside, writing a death of the most beloved and well known EU character did not involve expertise with Mandos, and it required a writer who had more experience with the universe, especially the Jedi and the character herself.
    Likewise, Traviss' LOTF books also didn't make any contribution to Jaina's development. In the same way as Mara's Sacrifice death is not about her, but about Jacen's Dark Side trip and Luke and Ben's reactions, Jaina's training montage with the Mandos was not really about her - it was about Bobba Fett and an opportunity for more Mando writing. That worldbuilding was actually pretty good, but imo its place was not in Sacrifice, nor it should have played as big a role in LOTF series.
    LOTF's theme seems to be family & friendships torn and tested by conflict. Alas, there was a lot of divergence from those themes, perhaps due to different authors all pushing their own agendas.

    In the end, I'm not sure if Traviss is actually the one to blame for poor handling of Mara's death (Troy Denning also did a sloppy job dealing with its aftermath in Inferno), or if this was a mess caused by Del Rey and general poor management/planning of the series.
     
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  20. Nerdman3000

    Nerdman3000 Jedi Master

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    So after Thrawn was announced that he would be reintroduced into Star Wars Rebels, someone in the Star Wars Rebels panel asked if Mara Jade would return. Unfortunately Dave Filoni confirmed Mara Jade is not coming to Rebels. However, considering that Timothy Zahn is writing a Thrawn book, I'm almost sure that Zahn will find a way to have her appear in the book, even if it's only as a cameo. Whether Dave might change his mind and bring her on the show next season though is debatable but possible if Zahn does bring her back.
     
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  21. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Mara Jade's death was a colossal blunder. If she was to die at all it should've been in childbirth giving birth to a powerful force user or because of old age.
     
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  22. Darth Aphrodite

    Darth Aphrodite Jedi Master star 3

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    To hell with cannon and the new Disney rules, Mara will allways live on in my Star Wars :)
     
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  23. Nehru_Amidala

    Nehru_Amidala Force Ghost star 7

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  24. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Force Ghost star 5

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    To disagree somewhat I will say Mara consciously attacked Jacen without provocation on the basis of her not liking him taking Ben on GAG raids and suspecting something was amiss, yet instead of confronting Jacen like an adult she does everything possible to ensure the conflict won't be solved peacefully attacks him with the intent to kill and he killed her in self defense. Sure it's tragic he killed a family member and all but she wanted his life-his liaisons with Lumiya and his activities involving Ben didn't matter period she was trying to kill him and he won, the fact she was his aunt and he was already on a dark road doesn't negate her moral culpability for provoking the confrontation-from a purely legal perspective his activities wouldn't be admissible in court and it would be an open and shut self defense case.
     
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  25. Mira Grau

    Mira Grau Force Ghost star 5

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    I agree with Darth Invictus. It´s kinda hypocrtical that she didn´t wanted to give Jacen the chance she got herself. Remeber Luzke touched her with satin gloves and basically forgave her everything from the first moment on. But I blame this on the crappy writing of LoF not on Mara.

    And I agree with Darth Aphrodite that Mara will always be a part of SW.