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Amph Marvel's Hawkeye, Introducing Kate Bishop and Pizza Dog

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  1. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I’m rewatching episode 2, and I really, really hope they give Dalton just the most Basil Rathbone/Errol Flynn/Tyrone Power-esque playful swashbuckling dialogue they can, and in the middle of a duel scene.

    Dalton’s biting into his dialogue with relish and a hidden smirk, and if there’s one comic character who should still be a mouthy and sassy opponent on a level even beyond the usual MCU level, it’s the Swordsman.
     
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  2. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Also really enjoying the NYC location filming. Really helps sell the sense of place and actually gives us a taste of what we got out of the Defenders shows (even more appropriate if the connect-the-dots on certain characters and locales adds up to something here or down the road in the MCU). Can also appreciate the details down to the style of advertising (ie: the video billboards saying something is "brought to you by Rogers the Musical", etc).

    I was thinking more about this- while the collapsibility is seemingly a retcon function, it can still be the same sword. You'll note that they bring it out fully extended (and with the sheath), so it's seemingly treated like a reverse lightsaber- default to deployed blade, not hilt-retracted.

    Which, if that is the case (at least in how it is used, if not mechanically), could allow Barton to have kept the sword extended in a scabbard throughout Endgame and regulate the retractibility to a then-unused backup feature for portability, stealth and ease of escape.

    EDIT- Was watching Preview'd's react to the second episode and Kate mentions a destination to her cab driver of "4th and B" which the guys comment as being where the real bar (Vazac's) is that was used as Luke Cage's first bar.

    I looked it up and Vazac's, though, is listed as 7th & B. So, they were a little off, but not by much. Now, it's more likely that Marvel is just using references to places they've previously shot at for the Defenders shows, but, with the Fisk hotel and now this, it's hard to not maybe think that there's a pattern forming...
     
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  3. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Well, if you put it that way…
    the now collapsible katana does work.=D=;)

    I’m enjoying some of the NYC (i.e. Manhattan locations) too. I recognized several exteriors including the wrought iron gates entrance on Park Avenue in the 50s (right behind St Patrick’s cathedral) that are used as the exterior for the space where the auction takes place.

    :)

    @godisawesome Agreed about Dalton’s Jack. He’s a lot of fun, and that style dialogue will hopefully be a thing.
     
  4. Thena

    Thena 8X Wacky Wednesday Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    3rd episode was amazing!!! :D

    It's so exciting to learn more about
    Maya
    and to see more inclusion of
    disability
    .

    The action scenes were spectacular.
    PYM particles
    arrow!!! [face_rofl]

    Gonna have to watch this one again because it is sooooooooooo good. =D=
     
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  5. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Bitter Ex-Mod star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That was great!
    The Pym arrow. [face_laugh] Maya’s introduction was sufficiently heartbreaking to make you understand why she’s going after Ronin. The chase was a lot of fun too with all the different arrows. The mention of Uncle and the guy at the top you don’t want to mess with. Hmmm, who could that possibly be? :p
     
  6. Thena

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  7. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 7

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    Hawkeye episode 3, great introduction to Maya/Echo (opening scene is spectacular) and awesome Christmas themed action.

    Pym particles and Plunger arrow were great. Also Clint doing the no look arrow shot and him saying that Ronin is dead because Black Widow killed them and "I was there" is really emotional. Because basically the "don't give me hope" is when "Ronin" died and Nat giving him hope was what killed Ronin.

    The Uncle is probably Jack but I really really hope it's Kingpin. And played by Vincent D'Onofrio too! But I'm not sure if Kevin Fiege likes Netflix. But here's hoping!

    Or Mephisto, finally!
     
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  8. Thena

    Thena 8X Wacky Wednesday Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Oh, you don't think
    KF likes his employer's primary rival?
    :p
     
  9. Luke_Sparkewalker

    Luke_Sparkewalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    pretty sure ...

    that was kingpins arm in the dojo and VD voice
     
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  10. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Really enjoyed it. I’m looking forward to more archery goodness too.
    A neat tweak on Echo and her connection to Ronin. A terrific introduction to Maya. Loved seeing Clint do his heroic archer thing. Was really sweet to watch Kate help Clint while he was talking to Nathaniel too.

    And @The2ndQuest Perhaps it was the angle but
    this collapsible Ronin sword Jack is using, looks a lot smaller in its full extension (the hilt kind of looks different too.)

    Very interesting that Jack is using the Ronin sword, of course for stealth. I think he knows Clint was Ronin…hmmm.
     
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  11. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Master star 4

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    You mean



    BTW

    Jack: foe or secret allie. What's the revealing next episode ?
     
  12. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Bitter Ex-Mod star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yep. That was definitely Kingpin. No question about it. I can’t wait for next week! :D
     
  13. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Force Ghost star 6

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    I've been assuming that the watch is simply the equivalent of an electronic key that lets Avengers into Avengers buildings/systems. Though we've never seen an Avenger wear one, it would kind of make sense to have something like that.
     
  14. Thena

    Thena 8X Wacky Wednesday Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    I can no longer be sure which spoiler tags are for things that already happened and which ones for things that might or will surely happen. :confused:
    So, out of an overabundance of caution I'll be not clicking spoiler tags unless it's marked as something from the first 3 episodes :p
     
  15. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 7

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    Oh damn!

    Hearing it in isolation I'm like 95% sure that's Vincent D'Onofrio's voice/laugh. Also look at how well tailored that suit cuff is!
     
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  16. CosmoHender

    CosmoHender Jedi Master star 3

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    For a second I thought that...

    the episode was going to end with Clint and Jack recognizing each other as the cliffhanger, since Jack was a part of Clint's backstory in the comics.
     
  17. Thena

    Thena 8X Wacky Wednesday Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    No way to really know
    what Jack's back story is in the MCU since sometimes they're different from the comics.
     
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  18. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    i like the things they are doing with Hawkeye, wondering if there will be any more of him in the MCU after this. it's funny he was probably the least loved of the original MCU Avengers but seeing him in this feels like a special treat compared to the other shows
     
  19. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 8

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    That flashback character intro was more compelling than it had any right to be, IMO. And that family phone call moment was really moving; it made me think of all the Christmases I couldn't go home.
     
  20. BigAl6ft6

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  21. Thena

    Thena 8X Wacky Wednesday Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Cute little Buzzfeed listicle with all the little details & Easter eggs from episode 3; needless to say, it has all the spoilers. ;)

     
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  22. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    It certainly would be great if D'Onofrio reprises the role (and ditto Charlie Cox as Matt/DD.)

    PT, great post about the Easter Eggs.
     
  23. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Force Ghost star 6

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    It really is the most charming thing that Disney Marvel has ever done. It's lightweight and inconsequential and loads of fun.
     
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  24. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 8

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    The track suit mafia is growing on me. They're distinctive enough to stand out as henchmen, silly enough to be fun, and dangerous enough that they can't be dismissed off-hand.
     
  25. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 7

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    Conjecture from Hollywood Reporter recap

    "Rumors that Vincent D’Onofrio would be returning to the role he crushed on Netflix’s Daredevil have long circulated around Hawkeye. Although “Echoes” doesn’t give us a full look at the Kingpin, the large man standing behind Maya as a child, who places his sizable hand on her shoulder certainly suggests Fisk’s presence, as does the aura of power surrounding the moniker “Uncle,” as overseer of the Tracksuit Mafia in the present-day storyline. Additionally, the earlier iteration of the Tracksuit Mafia, led by William Lopez before he was seemingly killed by Ronin, is run out of an auto shop called Fat Man’s garage. Throughout his comic book history, Fisk is frequently referenced as “the Fat Man.” Now, I know what you might be thinking, but this isn’t another Mephisto-style leap at figuring out the big bad this time around. We should all be able to say with confidence that Wilson Fisk is definitely in play. So, what does the presence of Fisk mean for the future of Hawkeye and the recently announced spinoff series focused on Maya Lopez, Echo?

    It seems Ronin’s war on crime has left a power vacuum, and a state of disorganization when it comes to NYC’s criminal empires. Fisk is obviously the man to unite them and make them stronger. As ill-equipped as the Tracksuit Mafia seems for Clint and Kate, they are likely only a small part of Fisk’s growing empire. If the Kingpin is just getting started, still referred to in codenames, what does this mean in terms of his presence in the three seasons of Daredevil on Netflix, in which he was a recognizable local celebrity and outed as a criminal? It seems likely that that version of Wilson Fisk and the rest of the Marvel Netflix characters will be recoded as Variants, with new versions of these characters, some played by the same actors, now being introduced into the central Earth of the MCU. This would allow for Kingpin’s grip on the criminal underworld to start from scratch and draw new heroes into his schemes and deceptions."


    and also yah the label Fat Man's Garage did immediately key in my brain as Kingpin-centric, especially after the moment with lil' Echo just minutes before. But maybe Marvel Studios would say that Netflix adventures are variants making them like What If/Sony spider-verse level multiverse canon. Although I think they're stretching a bit, nothing here in episode 3 that implied a Kingpin-connection would automatically negate all of Daredevil's Netflix run (I mean, Fisk did go to jail at the end of S3 but he goes to jail, like, all the time and we saw in S3 he can run his damn empire while under house arrest anyway). It could be something like MCU casting JK Simmons as JJJ because he's just that good.

    I would view it like Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad loose continuity, previous thing happened, character relationships and actors are the same although they don't directly reference the previous incarnation. It'll make more sense if/when Matt, Foggy and Karen show up I guess.
     
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