Lit Maul and Ahsoka in Legends timeline

My headcanon is that Legends!Maul was the Guardian of Mount Tantiss that C’baoth killed.

 

For the Red Fly game Lucas was proponent that it was Maul or a clone or descendant of Maul. In the later two cases the real Maul's spirit would've trained his clone/descendant.

https://gamerant.com/star-wars-darth-maul-game-canceled-trivia/

Also interesting that in the latest canon book "Stories of Jedi & Sith,", Qui Gon Jinn spirit visits Maul sometime shortly before Rebels in an effort to sway him from his all consuming path in destroying the Sith and redeem him . This occurs on Damanos, an ancient Sith world where he pursued ancient Sith superweapons. So we know Maul pursued his own agenda separate from Crimson Dawn. But Maul still clings to revenge against Sidious and all his enemies and so Jinn takes away the Dark Side powers of the castle and prevented Maul from securing it . So its very likely Maul's spirit and his return will be seen again and some resemblance of Lucas' ST will be in the future.

 

That sounds about right, which makes it easier to have Maul die either to Vader, to Obi-Wan on Tatooine or something else, like

that. I suppose Maul's spirit could be controlling his descendant/clone, as well as manipulating Darth Talon to turn against Nihl/Krayt. It works fine. And if its a clone, it could've been made by the same people who made the Maul clone to fight Vader, assuming that remains a clone and not the real thing.

So in the end, would there have been a Crimson Dawn crime syndicate in Legends?

 

One potential issue in reconciling Resurrections and TCW is Vader's surprise that Maul's alive. Even if you aren't one-canon-ing in the Siege of Mandalore, you'd have to account for Vader thinking he'd been dead for years instead of just missing.

 

Possibly in a slightly One-Canon-ish version, at some point after Kenobi killed Maul in Rebels, his corpse was found by the Empire (maybe during their investigations of Tatooine shortly after ANH), and his death reported to Vader. With cultists, a few years after that, (maybe shortly before ROTJ?) "summoning Maul's spirit back" into a new body to replace Vader, because they believe Vader's loyalties have become dubious.

"There are ways in which those who are no more can live again" is all the explanation Palpatine provides.

 

Vader's hunting the Death Star plans when he runs into Maul, so it seems written to be pre-ANH.

I'm not a one-canon-er, but the same idea works if you include Old Wounds in Legends. Another possiblity would be that Palpatine lied to Vader and told him Maul had died. Maybe he wanted to give the original Maul the chance to challenge Vader, much as he's implied to have orchestrated the duel in Resurrections?

 

It may be of interest to see some of the ideas that the 2006-era Lit board had on incorporating Old Wounds, Resurrection, and Phantom Menaces into continuity with what is now Legends.

 

Maul had no intention of serving Sidious again. He was always out to kill him this was confirmed in SOD, TCW Season 7 and again in Ghosts of Maul if there was ever any doubt. And he did view Savage as a true apprentice and wished for him to share in his vision of a post Sidious and Jedi galaxy. He always would remain loyal unlike the Sith.

With the Force Ghost of Jinn also attempting to free Maul from his own personal prison , of which Maul was self aware but always unwilling to escape from since his anger fueled his fury for revenge which seemed often even out've his own control. It also reinforces Jinn being among the so-called Grey philosophy or Dai Bendu or some of Yoda's dialogue in Rebels where their something beyond the Jedi and Sith Orders and the Light and the Dark and the repetition of it all. He wished for Maul to embrace his true destiny and set him upon a path of balance - of neither Light nor Dark, neither Jedi nor Sith of which Jinn and Maul viewed as the same problem. Maul has been seeking balance but he's doing so from a Sith's Dark Side perspective, while Jinn sought balance but from the Light Side Jedi's perspective of which he became worthy of being a Force Ghost unlike the other Jedi-. Both these characters were disillusioned and rogues from their respective orders.

From what we from his ying/yang symbolism of the Crimson Dawn and all its writings when translated and what Qi'ra carries on following her training and Maul's plans - Maul was on the track . Jinn attempted to stop Maul from destroying himself, which eventually he does by using Kenobi to deliver the blow. What was Jinn's ultimate goal of Maul as a quasi Bendu roaming around had he succeeded in swaying Maul from self-destruction , is unknown. But a certain balance of Light and Dark character could essentially be a god akin to those of Mortis.

 

For Maul I go with Old wounds. For Ahsoka I assume she joined the group of jedi who aren't dead but aren't doing anything. I think they get shirts now.

 

"I survived Order 66 and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"?

 

Yes, also one for their friends "I survived order 66 with stupid (arrow)"

 

I think that something very similar to the fight she had with Vader in Rebels S2 could happen to Ahsoka in Legends, only that she would meet her end there.

I have to ask, though, where is this "dies in the stairs of Jedi Temple" thing coming from? Who said that?

 

I've just finished Lone Wolf: A Tale of Obi-Wan and Luke, and the master of that story's Dark Jedi, a cyborg with "hatred for old wounds [Obi-Wan] inflicted", is pretty clearly meant to be Maul. If you run with this, it would mean he was training nihilistic, revenge-obsessed Jedi hunters shortly before and after RotS, potentially as replacements for Oppress.

 

Yeah, the author of that story confirmed that was the intention in the thread for SkyeWalkers and Lone Wolf.

 

I'd actually gone through that thread previously, but I was trying to skip over anything that seemed like it'd give to much away, so I must have missed that.

I haven't read the TCW comic that goes into Maul's survival, but it'd be nice if there was some way to involve Zeta Magnus, as Peña originally intended.

 

Or possibly before NJO. Would explain why the Jedi Order was already a bit more in line with the one in the prequels.

 

Maul being brought back is one of the worst writing decisions in SW(I know it’s a decade old compliant but I’m sticking to it), so I would not really consider him.

As for Ahsoka, my overall headcanon remains. She lived in quiet exile and kept her distance from the NJO and Luke. She may or may not have learned that Luke redeemed his father, if she did then she would have been glad but not willing to break her cover for it.

I could see her maybe sending a letter or message, but I could also see her simply deciding that she would not interfere with Anakin’s descendants or the galaxy as a whole post Endor.