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Saga Mega thread: Sequels and spinoff films and the overall saga

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by anakinfansince1983 , Jun 20, 2017.

  1. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    LOLwut? That's not even clever trolling. It's a Han Solo movie, of course it has a male lead.

    Probably someone trying to snark about Kennedy being a feminist but it's still too dumb to pass as good snark.
     
  2. Dark Ferus

    Dark Ferus Chosen One star 8

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    I don't know if there is such a thing as clever trolling, but yeah I got that impression. I don't know how feminist Kennedy is and I don't think it is relevant to the outcome of the movie.
     
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  3. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    I think it's perfectly acceptable for any creative endeavor. Not sure about "moral obligation" when we don't know the details of the situation, though.
     
  4. Dark Ferus

    Dark Ferus Chosen One star 8

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    ezekiel22x

    When I say moral obligation, I mean in terms of doing what is right for the franchise. It's their responsibility to appease the fans, which is where most creative differences stem from (if you read into the Marquand/Kershner/Kurtz/Lucas differences, you'll see that they had different ideas on the right direction to steer the series)z
     
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  5. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    Fair enough. I would think of that as a business obligation rather than a moral one. "Morals" tend to indicate personal standards of ethics, questions of right and wrong, etc.
     
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  6. Dark Ferus

    Dark Ferus Chosen One star 8

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    Good point, I guess even pleasing fans stems from the One Ring in the form of green paper.
     
  7. randomhero24

    randomhero24 Jedi Youngling

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    After Episode 9, if the next Star Wars was a totally new story, new planets, new characters, would this hurt the series?
     
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  8. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Welcome to the boards. :)

    I remember expecting Episode 7 to take place hundreds of years later, maybe with Skywalker descendants, but otherwise with new characters.

    I don't think it would hurt the series if the next trilogy did something similar.

    Not sure about new planets though, unless it was made clear that the story was going outside the galaxy.
     
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  9. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    I could absolutely see Episodes I-IX being the complete Skywalker Saga and Episode X marking the beginning of a new saga that still belongs to the series.
    A series of sagas!
     
  10. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    {Quantum/MIDI} Force Ghost star 5

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    Han Solo should be a comedic movie imo. Its about a selfish gunslingin', western theivin bastard. A lot of pulp and cheese is what I should expect.

    But I'm not sure what is even the entire theme here or what the core movie is all about. It's no surprise really...I knew from that start that these guys wouldn't 100% stay well within Lucasfilm.

    Could care less...It either comes out well or not..
     
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  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I think the brand of comedy makes a difference. It should not be the brand that brought us "Four score and twenty bricks ago" or Batman's girlfriend "Wyld Style." Sarcastic cynical snark is what makes Han Solo.
     
  13. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    I'd say Han is more about range. From dry skepticism to a more outright bodily humor that can be boisterous and zany. And vests, of course. I'd be disappointed if he's mostly just a cynical jerk in the spinoff.
     
  14. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    One thing's for sure, we'll get more of a George Lucas style film with Howard at the helm rather than L&M. Obviously he has a very long history with Lucas & LFL. Also, I wonder what Richard Dreyfuss is referring to with this tweet:

    "Finally, the world will get to see the twist George told us he always wanted to tell during Grafitti!"
     
  15. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

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    About Howard and TPM.
     
  16. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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  17. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    The last Howard film I saw as Rush. I enjoyed it very much as I am a formula one fan. The script for that movie fell short of really doing justice to the dramatic real life story it nevertheless followed quite faithfully.

    Depending on the script, I anticipate no problems with Howard helming the Solo movie.

    As for humour. For me, I see potential in young Han and Lando for something like Harry Lime, Captain Kidd, The Bandit, Robin Hood etc all rolled into one.
     
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  18. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

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    If only the article didn't start with the same old
    :rolleyes:
    I always saw Han Solo as a comedic character, less than droids in terms of extreme silliness but still comedic nonetheless. I always saw him as the cynical guy who acts like only money matters but who still has a heart beyond the tough guy facade and morals (not shooting first in the SE) and his friendship with Chewie.
     
  19. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    Yeah, that reads more as lazy Lucas bashing than an actual examination of what a Howard-helmed TPM might've looked like. At least I know not to waste my time with that site anymore.
     
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  20. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    He's certainly capable of comedic moments, usually based around cynicism & sarcasm though. There also should be a distinction between him before & after the Battle of Yavin. From that moment he decided to place a greater cause above his own interests. Prior to that he should be more of a hard-nosed mercenary type. IMO anyway.
     
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  21. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    What is it with these wannabe cool websites? Alright, your idea of "hip" is to bash TPM, so you make a point of doing so just to make sure that you can stand within twenty feet of your imaginary in-crowd for yet another week. Welcome to the year 2000.

    On topic, yeah, Han has always been comedic in his way and I expect him to be so in this movie, too. Lord and Miller probably made him a bit too "Star-Lordy" for LFL's taste, though.
     
  22. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    Lots of talk about how Han Solo should be. Funny, but not that type of funny.

    But this is YOUNG Han Solo. This is Han pre-Rebellion involvement. Not only did Han not have much growth from RotJ to TFA, he regressed in some aspects. So do we really want the character of Han Solo to show almost no growth from youth to death? That would be tragic for a character as important as Han.

    Seeing a more free wheeling Han that possibly has a big enough event in the movie to refine him makes the movie set in a milestone moment of Han's life. Maybe he's been playing Hutts against each other for his benefit. Maybe he's friendly, but more selfish than pre-ANH (he was pretty selfish then). He could be the lovable loser. The first one you invite to your party, but the last one you'd recommend to your boss. Maybe the bounty on his head is what makes him buckle down and grow up.

    And it would still match perfectly with wise cracking Han of the OT.

    I loved Rogue One. But the movie we saw is not "proof" that the changes made it better. The biggest complaint the first few weeks it was released was how disjointed the beginning was and how it finally found its pacing on Scarif. I disagree with that, but that would mean the complaint is about the changes made with the reshoots/re-edit. Another complaint was character depth. Well, part of the changes was also adding more and sometimes entire new paths for the many characters, obviously taking away from screen time of the main characters (Jyn, Cassian, Krennic). So there is a chance the pre-reshoot dust up cut was actually even better. We will probably never know. But you can't use theatrical release Rogue One as proof these blow ups are making the movies better. That's also disrespectful to Gareth. And perhaps part of the reason L&M were more resistant to letting history repeat itself. Also, what about the integrity of their vision. That's a big part of what a director does.

    As far as the reason finger pointing has gone to Kathleen Kennedy. Because she's the one in charge?
     
  23. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    George Lucas' direction is only an issue with his not being great with child actors, and with dialogue, which he didn't care anything about. If he had cared about dialogue, and if he had not had such a weird sense of humor (he thought Jar-Jar was the funniest character in the saga--really?), that might not have been an issue.

    With overall story and with visuals, he was great.

    TPM, and the rest of the prequels, let me know what Anakin Skywalker could have become and left me with the sadness for his unrealized potential, which overall is all I was asking for. I had a few minor disappointments but that's true with almost any movie.
     
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  24. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    We haven't seen the footage though. Kasdan & Kennedy have. Clearly they think the tone & characterization is wrong, even for a young version of the character.
     
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  25. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

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    I love Jar Jar and still find him as funny as the first time I saw the movie. The hatred towards anything too cute or childish and this character in particular still puzzle me to this day. It did calm down a little in the recent years though.
     
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