ST "Mizzlewump" Rumor - Too Many Coincidences?

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Leaving aside that JJ/Kasden would throw out any part of the EU that didn't work for them (and the species of a long dead Sith Lord who's never appeared outside of the EU would certainly be one of them) I think "Ancestor" in this case refers more to the lineage of the Sith... that the line of Sith Lords originated with Ruin and continued through Sidious (and technically to Vader though from a certain point of view Vader died just before the Emperor did when he chose to be Anakin Skywalker again and saved his son).

Its basically a clumsy way of saying "predecessor" though I do suspect that 'ancestor' is actually closer to the nuances of Sith succession (basically a string of abusive 'parent'/'child' relationships dating back millennia).

Or Ruin was actually human in the new canon and was literally Palpatine's blood ancestor (which, if the castle on the island is related to the rumored tomb in any way makes me wonder if our 'water' planet might not actually be a remote region of Palpatine's birth planet... Naboo).

I dunno... the 'old student of the Emperor' doesn't need to be all that major of a character and could even die by Kylo's hand during the same scene we meet him (especially if Kylo has started hearing Serkis' voice in his head) or the mentor role for Kylo either got cut for time because seeing him overcome his master wasn't critical to the story being told or they just decided to introduce us to them AFTER the power dynamic has already shifted (with dialogue explaining that while the character trained Kylo they are clearly now his servant). I'm also wondering if the reason Kylo ends up with the name Darth Ruin is not because he takes the name out of reverence for the ancient Sith, but because he ends up possessed by the spirit of the actual Darth Ruin for the rest of the trilogy.

If the latest MSW stuff is accurate we've got a Solo daughter and a stormtrooper which is two out of three and if Finn is the 'serious one' then I could certainly see Po as, if not the blood descendent of Lando (an illegitimate child does not seem too far-fetched with Lando), then perhaps his protege. One thing to bear in mind here is that we can't presume Lando followed the path he did in the EU by returning to the private sector. He did, after all, hold the rank of GENERAL in the Rebel Alliance as of the Battle of Endor and if, unlike the EU, the Empire didn't fall apart practically overnight Lando could have easily had a long and illustrious military career with a son following in his footsteps. If Po is Lando's illegitimate son or a protege then I'd say the spirit of Mizzlewump's information was correct (as stated in his original information, this was pre-casting and the role could have ended up being of either gender and probably a wide range of ethnicities.

As far as the 30 years thing, that could certainly have changed... or it could be another clumsy bit of language and it's more like "Luke went missing AFTER 30 years" and lines up with some rumors saying TFA is set 35 years after Endor. If these new rumors lined up with that then Luke and Rey would have gone into hiding only FIVE years ago, which would make the idea of Rey being tasked with protecting the lightsaber far less unreasonable since she'd be more like 13-14 years old when she started guarding it... which is basically the same age as Queen Amidala was in TPM when she led her people against the Trade Federation.

Finally, just because Gleeson is supposedly the son of a famous rebel doesn't automatically make him Luke's kid... with his looks he could just as easily be General Madine's son as Luke's kid.

 

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believe whatever you like, I bolded that it was my personal opinion for a reason, I have no reason to explain myself and I also don't agree with your post.

Agree to disagree.

 

Of course things will have changed from the 2nd script to the 4th script. They could have also changed things when they were casting. They could have seen Boyega's audition for Lando's son and thought, he'd be great as the Stormtrooper. Then they reinvent the third lead as the hot shot pilot which is Oscar Isaac.

 

It was always stated Luke has no known offspring, which perfectly fits when Gleeson is on imperial side.

 

No, he is busy dressing midgets in crocodile costumes...
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If MW is right, who can (s)he be? Not many people are allowed to see the script.

 

* Leia is made leader of the Republic after her predecessor’s death

* Han is a retired veteran of the Republic fleet

* Luke hasn’t been seen in nearly 30 years (First rumor to state this)

* the lead character is Han and Leia’s daughter (Stated before DR was cast)

* the other lead is the child of Lando, and either a male or female depending on who is cast (so does this mean Finn could be Lando's son?)

* the other lead is a Stormtrooper, also either a male or female depending on who is cast (Stated before JB was cast or rumored to be a stormtrooper)

* dialogue for these two characters is very rough in the second draft

* Luke has no known offspring (First rumor to state this)

* The Empire still exists in the form of a number of loyal galaxies and are in a state of cold war with the Republic (First rumor to claim the Empire still exists)

* The Empire is simply referred to as the “Empire,” and the Republic is referred to formally only once, as the “Galactic Republic;” no “New” anywhere

* There are no Jedi whatsoever, and people still speak as if they are extinct, with Luke being “the last of his kind” (First rumor to state this) I guess with the massacre at the Jedi Academy flashback scene it could be reinforced?

* The main antagonists are an older student of the Emperor, and his apprentice (Stated before JVS and Driver were cast) This is the one I can't my head around - so is Uber an 'older student of Sidious' and Kylo Ren (Driver) the apprentice?

* The apprentice takes control of the power dynamic between the two pretty quickly…

* The Republic are excavating ruins on a neutral world for a weapon; the world factors into tense negotiations the Empire have had with the Republic, and is referred to as the “Sith Homeworld” (Stated before Devin and Billy brought up a superweapon on a planet) The Empire's weapon seems to be a Star Destroyer which can split worlds apart, while the Republic's is a sort of EMP device so not sure about this Sith Homeworld idea meshes with it?

Loredump: In the script, the Sith are a couple thousand years old, founded by an ancestor of Palpatine called Ruin; the apprentice in this film also goes by that name I suppose Kylo Ren could be his name but becomes 'Darth Ruin' at some point in the film?

the ruins within the Sith Homeworld are a control station; the planet itself is the weapon again...this seems a bit off but would explain why Han sets the charges to destroy the Evil Castle even losing his life in the process, it's the control centre for the super weapon.

Luke saves the day at the end, but in a bad way; he has changed (Stated before the Starwars7news rumor of a Luke boss fight) latest spoiler has Luke only receiving the lightsabre so not sure if this has changed throughout production?

 

I think as Luke is clearly the Yoda of the ST, he will not have alightsaber duel in the movies. So, as the new leads are probably going to fight only Kylo Ren, I could buy Kylo killing his master as this suggested, and becomming the main menace.

 

I don't think thats going to happen. The character seems to be only in messages in this film. I seriously doubt they would do something like redeeming Kylo to kill Uber. Its just too on the nose.

I think they may divide the villains for Rey and Finn.

 

I am not refering to an act of redemption but of treason. Leaving Kylo Ren as the main villain for the end of the trilogy.

 

If they were going to do that. I suspect it would be done this film. It doesn't appear so.

 

I can totally imagine Star Wars community managers bumping all these nonsensical old rumors, just to throw them on the pile and mix them together around here, so that you can't really know head from tail.

'Oh look! This guy predicted, six months ago, that there's a lightsaber in TFA!'

'Holy ****! You're right dude, and look at this particular peace... it says, the mystical force.'

It all makes sense now.

 

there you go:
Kyl-o Ren-issian. Took his real family name, as his full name...

Lando ***ed up something in his youth parenting-wise... and now they all have to pay the price..


I would take it with the grain of salt (and then some), as there were probably other scripts that were submitted/considered/rejected, now those scripts could leak more easily, maybe even deliberately broadcasted over Internet (or presented as a real deal), so we have this huge mash of everything and nothing.. Sort of entertaining to make something out of it.

 

It makes sense if you rethink the meaning of "picking up some power converters"

 

>Loredump: In the script, the Sith are a couple thousand years old, founded by an ancestor of Palpatine called Ruin; the apprentice in this film also goes by that name

I wonder, given what we know now about Ren not being a surname particular to Kylo but a title derived from the Knights of Ren, if "Ruin" eventually became Ren during development. Mizzlewump states the apprentice goes by the same name as the Palpatine ancestor. This fits with what we know now about Ren being an assumed name/title of Kylo. All to say, this could potentially be another rumor from this source that has panned out.

 

From that I'd say Finn is 100 percent not a Calrissian if the trooper character was there from the start, far more likely was Poe was the Calrissian in those early drafts.

 

Could be correct, but on the other hand, its possible they reworked it because Han Solo took over much of the Resistance Pilot's duties in the script. If they wanted Han's daughter and Lando's son to be central, they may have done a rewrite so that stormtrooper became the Calrissian, because he spends more time with Rey. The big question is how they made it plausible in the story that a Calrissian could begin as a stormtrooper.

 

From what I recall from older scuttlebutt: the stormtrooper character was elevated in terms of screen time. He was also considerably older. So, I think the character of stormtrooper was probably mostly thrown out and completely retooled. They just liked the stormtrooper aspect it seems.

If I had to guess the original idea of the rebel pilot(who became Poe)was actually Finn at one point. But, they may have found that too straightforward....

Also, a rebel pilot Calrissian working for Leia actually makes a whole lot of sense from a narrative standpoint. But, that too may have been casualty from rewrites. They may have kept the idea of a black male lead however...

 

The other question is what happened to the Solo daughter? From latest MSW tidbits, it seems less and less likely that Ridley is Han's and Leia's daughter.

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I really hope that Finn isn't Lando's son and that if he is someone's son from prior movies, that it's someone more relevant Saga-wise. Lando is cool and all but I'd rather the leads be Skywalkers, or at least more strongly associated with the Skywalkers (i.e. Kenobi) rather than just Han's buddies.

 

Without Lando Luke, Leia and Han would all be dead right now.

Lando is the man.

 

He destoryed the sceond Death Star and kept the fleet running with his decision to stay close to the Star Destroyers. He is the man and probably Finn's Dad! Just throwing that out there. Not committed to it. Just a speculation upon the vast amount of rumors I've read. Nothing concrete to support this. Just Saying.

 

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I am confident Rey is a Solo. I am less confident, but still strongly suspect Finn is a Calrissian. I think these early mizzlewump batch of rumors are essentially correct in this regard and the continued confirmation of their probable validity makes me think they are also correct on the protagonist's familial origins. The mystery box surrounding Rey and Finn makes most sense if they are related to characters we know but that relation is some kind of important twist in the film. But we shall see, I may very well be wrong.

 

I'm betting on Rey being Luke's daughter, and a Han-Leia daughter, who's more political in nature and similar to Leia, being introduced in Episode 8. Maybe she works for Lando, or she's a politician/royalty like Leia but was kept hidden out of the fray because of Kylo, obviously, but Han's murder pulls her into the galactic conflict to help her mother. She and Poe will probably have a romance of some kind that plays out over the course of 8 and 9.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-8-strong-female-lead/

 

But who could Mizzlewump be, though? I can`t imagine many people seeing any version of the script.