New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

Val:
Well, I honestly don't remember Matt mentioning the concept, and that discussion *did* take place quite some time ago.

However, after having read his post, it sounds like my idea is pretty much the same thing as his is/was.

*smacks forehead*

Matt, if you're out there, I'm not trying to steal your thunder or anything. Sorry if I've put you off inadvertantly.

Same goes for you, Val.

On a tangentially-related note, I really *didn't* know that the official website listed the Executor as being 12,800 meters when I first signed on here. Took me a while to reconcile that. I guess that during my musings here, I jumped through the same logic-hoops that Matt did, all the while not realizing that he'd already done so.

Anywho, let the record state that I ascribe to Matt Trias personal SSD size theory (or at least a variant thereof--it is neigh impossible to make sense out of his initial post, so we may differ on a handful of points).

 

How do we know that was the Home One's main hanger?

We know which hangar the shuttle exited.

Home One starboard view
Home One port view

Tyderium in starboard hangar

Tyderium exiting starboard hangar: 1 of 3
Tyderium exiting starboard hangar: 2 of 3
Tyderium exiting starboard hangar: 3 of 3

Perhaps there are two seperate versions of the Home One, the smaller mass-produced 1.2km MC80-class and a single 3.8km Home One-class...

 

I suppose that the Memory of Ithor could be a Senator class. It did take on several Vong capital ships.

Out of curiosity, do you guys think that the "heavy Mon Cal cruiser" Vortex Wind is a Mediator or an MC-90?

 

Thank you for apoligizing I'm sure matt is thankful.

"it is neigh impossible to make sense out of his initial post"

Hmm, that's interesting, considering that no one else in that thread seemed to have any problems understanding his initial post, in that thread, , , , LOL.

Some didn't agree with his idea, but they still undestood his post all the same, .

 

Well, it could be either, or a new one.
MC80 Cruiser,
MC40 Light Cruiser
MC90 Cruiser
Mediator Battle Cruiser


Maybe MC90A or MC90B, or even MC100, hey it's been years since the MC90 was created, 15?...since DE.

so....as usual.....Hypo Stats!

Voretx Wind (MC90) -class Heavy Cruiser
Length: 1500 meters
Crew: 10,050 + 200 gunners = 10,250 total
Passengers: 2500 troops
Cargo Capacity: 40,000 metric tons
Consumables (Duration between resupply): 12 months
Hyperdrive: Class 1 with Class 10 backup
Weapons: 45 Turbolasers (Turbolaser Batteries)
20 Heavy Doulble Turbolaser Cannons
20 Heavy Turbolasers
25 Ion Cannons
16 Assault COncussion missile Launschers

Support Craft: 4 Squadrons

 

Val:
Hey, you must remember that I was not present for the actual discussion at that time. I don't think I even started posting in the thread until page...six, was it? I only skimmed the previous pages for anything of interest.

Having not heard of SSDs being greater than 8,000 meters long, I more or less wrote off his opening argument as fallacious (I still think that a 12,000 meter Lusankya doesn't make much sense) and proceeded to skim the rest of the posts.

Nick:
I'd rather figured that the Vortex Wind was an MC90-class. Remember that technically, Star Cruisers are more or less just a subset of the broader heavy cruiser family (using our current understanding of SW capital starship nomeclature).

 

In need of assistance!

I'm about to ready to illustrate some NR capital ship pics! But I need some help!

Can someone please PM me all the descriptions of the Bothan Assault Cruiser and Defender Star Destroyer from NJO books?

I have "Starships of the Galaxy," but are those black and white illustrations exactly how the NJO books describe them?

Any help would be great. Thanks a ton,

Mazz

 

The Defender-class Star Destroyer only shows up in the Starships of the Galaxy RPG suppliment and earlier in the Cracken's Threat Dossier. It doesn't appear in any actual EU novels of the Bantam era or NJO.

It's supposed to be called the Nebula-class in any case, but was called Defender-class due to a mislabelling / name duplication in the Cracken's Threat Dossier that was carried over to SotG, and now apparently to the NEGVV.

 

Okay - EEK! There are two different illustrations of the Defender-class Star Destroyer then. Which one do I go with? The "Starships of the Galaxy" one, or the "Cracken's Threat Dossier"?

 

That's the real trick isn't it.

Depends on if you consider the newer SotG artwork to be a redesign / reinterpretation of the same class of ship, meant to replace the older CTD artwork, or if the newer design is meant to represent a different class of ship altogether. (ie CTD=Nebula and SotG=Defender for example) Since both are (mis)labelled as Defender-class that's kind of a judgement call as no official fix has yet been given for the discrepency.

 

If it were me, I'd go with the Starships of the Galaxy version, as it both resembles a Star Destroyer and looks much better than the other (more terrifying) rendition.

 

Mazzic: personally, I'd suggest you take what you like from both versions, and do something that looks more like a Star Destroyer... also, if REC are KDY under a different name, it might have an ISD-style command tower...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Thanks for all of your help. I have some thumbnail sketches done - I think you'll be pleased.

I've decided to illustrate Admiral Kre'fey's fleet in orbit around Kashyyyk from "Destiny's Way." However, I don't have that book with me right now. What type of ships were in Kre'fey's fleet at Kashyyyk?

Also, could someone please email me a scan of the MC-90 Mon Cal cruiser from "Dark Empire"? mazzic_magnum@yahoo.com

Thanks for all of your help. I'm looking forward to illustrating this scene.

-Mazz

 

MC90 info

MC90 pics

Defiance
Another MC90
Galactic Voyager

 

Thanks for the links to the Mon Cal ships.

Doing some research on Traest Kre'fey's fleet at Kashyyyk. "Ylesia" says the Ralroost was surrounded by "frigates, cruisers, Star Destroyers, tenders, hospital ships, support vessels, and flights of starfighters on patrol." Wow. A big fleet, to say the least. Where can I find pictures of these ships? Or at least tell me where I should look. What type of ship is a "tender" or a "frigate" or "cruiser"?

Thanks again,

Mazz

 

Going strictly by those designations, assuming they are literal for each available ship type, they might include the following:

"tender": Hajen-class Fleet Tender

"frigate": Corona-class Frigate, Nebulon-B-class Escort Frigate, Rebel Assault Frigate, Lancer-class Frigate, Star Galleon-class Escort Frigate

"cruiser": Bothan Assault Cruiser, Belarus-class Medium Cruiser, Majestic-class Heavy Cruiser, Mediator-class Battlecruiser, MC40a Light Cruiser, MC80, MC80a, MC80B, MC90, Neutron Star-class Bulk Cruiser, Carrack-class Light Cruiser, Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser, Strike-class Medium Cruiser, Enforcer-class Heavy Cruiser, Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser, Interdictor Cruiser

(Imperial origin ships also noted for completeness)

Images of the ships to be found in Cracken's Threat Dossier, the Rebel, Imperial, and Thrawn Trilogy WEG SWRPG sourcebooks, WOTC Starships of the Galaxy, EGVV and NEGVV. Along with many from the comics such as the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire Trilogy, Crimson Empire Duology, and the X-wing series.

 

Minor, minor correction: the Enforcer-class was listed as a 'picket cruiser' by TCUSWE.

 

Just based that designation on the EGVV that states the Immobilizer 418 is "built on a standard heavy-cruiser hull", but picket cruiser is more precise.

 

No biggie. I can see how that could be misinterpreted.

Just for clarification, the Vindicator-class hull is the 'standard heavy cruiser hull' that they're referring to. The NEGtV&V supports this.

At any rate, the Enforcer is simply another variant of the Vindicator-class vessel. I *believe* developed by the Pentastar Alignment.

 

The only thing is at the time of the first EGVV only the Enforcer-class was known. The Vindicator-class didn't come about until Starships of the Galaxy iirc.

Speaking of which are there definitive stats for both classes that show what the specific differences between the two are? Both are basically touted as Interdictors w/o the gravity well projectors, but I'm not sure if the details of weapons, equipment, carried craft, etc. for the Enforcer-class were ever hashed out. The Vindicator-class stats are in the SotG.

 

Sadly, I've not seen any official stats for the speedy little Enforcers just yet.

As a matter of fact, I don't recall the Vindicator-class' capabilities either...

 

Craft: Sienar Fleet Systems Vindicator Heavy Cruiser; Class: Capital; Cost: Not for sale (likely to be valued at 43,000,000; Size: Gargantuan (600 m long); Initiative: -2 (-4 size, +2 crew); Crew: 2,251 (Normal +2); Passengers: 400 (troops); Cargo Capacity: 8,000 metric tons; Consumables: 1.5 years; Hyperdrive: x2 (backup x8); Maximum Speed: Attack; Maneuver: -2 (-4 size +2 crew); Defense: 16 (-4 size, +10 armor); Shield Points: 300; Hull Points: 600; DR: 25.
  Weapon: Light turbolasers (25); Fire Arc: 2 batteries front, 1 battery right, 1 battery left, 1 battery rear; Attack Bonus: +8 (-4 size, +2 crew, +6 fire control, +4 battery fire); Damage: 4d10x5; Range Modifiers: PB -6, S -4, M -2, L +0.
  Weapon: Light turbo quadlasers (20); Fire Arc: 2 batteries front, 1 battery right, 1 battery left, 1 battery rear; Attack Bonus: +5 (-4 size, +2 crew, +4 fire control, +3 battery fire); Damage: 4d10x5; Range Modifiers: PB -6, S -4, M -2, L +0.
  Weapon: Lasers (10, point defense); Fire Arc: 2 front, 3 right, 3 left, 2 rear; Attack Bonus: +10 (+0 size, +2 crew, +8 fire control); Damage: 4d10x2; Range Modifiers: PB +0, S/M/L n/a.
  Weapon: Light ion cannons (20, point defense); Fire Arc: 2 batteries front, 1 battery right, 1 battery left, 1 battery rear; Attack Bonus: +5 (-4 size, +2 crew, +4 fire control, +3 battery fire); Damage: Special; Range Modifiers: PB +0, S/M/L n/a.
  Weapon: Tractor beam projectors (3); Fire Arc: 1 front, 1 right, 1 left; Attack Bonus: +0 (-4 size, +2 crew, +2 fire control); Damage: Special; Range Modifiers: PB -6, S -4, M/L n/a.

 

Geez, the Vindicator is pretty heavily armed for something of its size.
Those it also carry any starfighter or ground forces of any note?

 

Damn, they're potent little vessels, aren't they? Thanks for the info, RaptorRage.


As for fighters and ground troops, Pelranius, the Immobilizer 418 carries two squadrons. It stands to reason that the parent vessel would have a similar number.

Ground troops...probably no real emphasis. That's what Strike cruisers and Star Destroyers are for.

 

SotG mentions that the Vindicator-class were designed to function without the aid of support craft and could carry up to a wing of TIE fighters (3 squadrons / 36 fighters)