NRW - Retroactively Gay Characters

The Council had no problem with Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship. The Council has no problem with several other brotherly/sisterly Jedi relationships. The Council has no problem with friendships, even strong friendships, which we see throughout the history of the Jedi Order.

The Council has a problem with Bastila and Revan's relationship. The Council has a problem with Anakin and Padme's relationship. The Council has a problem with Belaya and Juhani's relationship.

How is this not clear?

First off, you have some odd logic here: since when is heterosexual a default? Even if you reject everything I've said, the best you can say about her is that she's unknown.

But fortunately, it isn't unknown, because we know Juhani is attracted to women. Now, Juhani never professed those feelings for a female Revan, because such a character does not exist; in this aspect, at least, you are correct. A Juhani/Revan relationship is non-canon. However, as Juhani's sexuality has nothing to do with Revan's gender, and as nothing in the male plotline contradicts this, she is attracted to women no matter what chromosomes Revan has, for the exact same reason that the Handmaiden's backstory is not suddenly null and void because the canon female Exile does not learn about it.

And, of course, her relationship with Belaya is talked about in both storylines.

 

I've never played KOTOR, are there lesbian Jedi in the game? Thats great! I mean, why not? I think there should be gay characters in STAR WARS. I think that can be done in a "clean," non-explicit way. Heterosexual relationships are handled in a tasteful "PG" way in STAR WARS, why not homosexual ones? They're people too you know.

 

No, it isn't.

 

You're going to have to do better than that. Explain.

 

Because LFL is too timid and cowardly for fear of offending bigots.

 

That really sucks. I expect more from Lucas and LFL. Oh well...

 

I'm sorry, I thought when I said "demostrate", I meant, show us, not throw conjecture our way and hope nobody noticed. Your claims are still post hoc ergo propter hoc logic.

E_S

 

Nope. He was involved with Siri Tachi.

Since every romantic or sexual relationship ever depicted in the entire galaxy for a quarter of a century was heterosexual. In SW, heterosexual is default.

 

Also, heterosexual seems to be the default of nature, at least here on earth. Since its the only one that, you know, makes babies.

 

Hence leading to overpopulation, which even the GFFA has a problem with.

 

I'm sorry, when I posted that I was assuming that someone with basic reasoning skills could figure it out on their own. Let me go through it step by step:

Belaya and Juhani have a close relationship.
This relationship is close enough that it bothers the Council.
The Council is not bothered by close friendly relationships (see: throughout the EU).
The Council is not bothered by brotherly relationships (see: Obi-Wan and Anakin).
The Council is bothered by romantic relationships (see: Bastila and Revan).
Juhani and Belaya frequently spent time alone in what is widely considered to be a romantic setting.

But you're right, it's all conjecture, so long as we shut off our brains. People who have a relationship with many qualities specific to romantic relationships couldn't possibly be in one. Let me just cover my ears a bit more and hum a bit louder.

 

The Council has a problem with ANY relationship that is too deep, not just that of a romantic nature. Further, it's not clear what Juhani's relationship with Belaya is -- any attempt to divine such is pure speculation and/or fanfic at best. Thus, we have NO IDEA that Juhani is attracted to women.

Please recall: female Revan never happened. It doesn't exist. Poof!

Thus, the only known quantity is that Juhani is a romantic interest for MALE Revan, which makes her canonically only heterosexual. You can play out whatever Juhani fantasies you wish in your own head, but that doesn't make it any more cannon.

If a story canonically doesn't happen a story canonically doesn't happen.

 

Coop:

Ackbar gay? Nah. I think one of the X-wing books mentioned that many of the Alliance leaders (Ackbar, Tevv, Fey'lya) never married or had children because they literally spent all of their time focused on their respective jobs.

As for Ackbar/Winter, there is exactly 0% evidence to suggest that KJA wanted to make their relationship romantic. They were nothing more than close friends. This is evident when she returns to take care of Ackbar towards the end of his life.

--Adm. Nick

 

Why do you keep repeating this? There is no romantic plotline between Juhani and a male Revan. None. The only romances Juhani can have in any version of the storyline are with female characters, one of them is mentioned in both male and female plotlines, and therefore her sexuality is unrelated to what gender Revan is.

Again, do you reject the Hanharr and Handmaiden backstories because they can only be learned in non-canon branches of the story?

Name one that applies here. Recall that Obi-Wan and Anakin were like father and son and later like brothers, and the former loved the latter, and yet no one has a problem with that.

 

You first.

Yes, if they had any courage, they'd simply state outright that they're very much opposed to the depiction of homosexuality within the GFFA.

You mean the overpopulation myth is still hanging around? Gee, I thought that went out with the one about the upcoming ice-age.

Unfortunately, some people have a hard time accepting that.

 

Actually, some countries, notably Japan, have declining populations. Anyways, the GFFA has birth control and a ton of under-developed planets.

 

I'm sorry, did I get this wrong?

"Depending on player choices, Juhani may be a romantic interest in the story, regardless of the gender of the player character."

Y'know that Databank thing you were so fond of quoting prior? That thing? Yeah...

So, again, Juhani must be hetero since Revan is canonically male.

 

Well, in this case the Databank may be incorrect. From all accounts I've heard, you can't get the romantic subplot with Juhani if you're male. I've tried myself, and she just looks at me like a dead fish. No catgirl action for my Revan.

 

I don't think any characters should be retoactively gay.

I'm not objecting to gay characters, but leave current characters the way they are.

For example, Just because Pelleon doesn't have a wife, don't go pullin' the gay card out. However, a new character, without history, is not a problem for me. I'm not saying this out of homophobia or anything, I just don't like my perceptions being altered like that.

 

I wish that'd been covered in the 'rare breaks of Imp prejudice warlords' series that seemed to comprise early Bantam trilogies. First we had Thrawn, the 'only' non-human in the Imp military. Then we had Daala the 'only' woman Admiral in the fleet. Where's General something-or-another, the only openly gay Stormtrooper to not get killed by firing line and advance to General and then lead his devastating anti-sexual-based oppression pro-Imperial oppression crusade?

 

The Database... wrong? You don't say!

 

...did you do everything right? Help her overcome her anger at Xor and heard her entire backstory? As well as have her pledge herself to you on top of the Rakatan Temple if you don't chose the Dark Side?

 

Well, unless Juhani only went Lesbo for Revan then it's irrelevant whether or not Revan is male or female, because Juhani would've been a Lesbian anyhow.

There is, however, not much proof.


Now, speaking of other characters:

Farfalla certainly seemed like a candidate for this. I mean, come on, "butterfly"?

And Admiral Banjeer's aide was a bit....different

 

Did you fail to see where I've stated repeatedly that on that aspect it's wrong? And I've also stated several times that I brought up that quote to refute your silly unsupported claim that LFL will not allow any homosexuality associated with the Star Wars property, canon or otherwise.

I'm almost tempted to think you're intentionally trying to misrepresent my arguments.

You're the only one who can explain your own beliefs. The fact that you aren't doing so shows that you apparently have no reasoning behind them. Good to know.

 

I don't really need to since they're easily disproven to begin with.

Canon is what happened according to LFL. Thus, they need to do nothing to to not allow a non-heterosexual character in their official story.

EDIT: Plus, we've gotten off the original point you failed to refute which is that Juhani is confirmed to be lesbian (which, y'know, she's not).