Obi-Wan Kenobi is the saddest character in StarWars

Is the Obi Wan commercial available for download anywhere?

 

Got to http://www.starwars.comwww.starwars.com , scroll down a bit and click on commercials under video features. For the best quality, I reccomend downloading Quick TIme 4 from the Apple homepage, the link is with the commercials.

 

The jealousy thing is a definate possibility. But if Qui-Gon Jinn comes back as a ghost form. He might heal those wounds. Maybe Obi-Wan's and Anakin's falling out derives from Anakin following the dark path. Anakin's mothers death might make him follow the dark path in the first place. Even though many people don't like this idea. The love triangle thing might be a reason as well. I wouldn't put it past Lucas to utilize a tool such as this. He said that this trilogy would feature a betrayal amongst friends.

 

I read an interview with GL where he stated that Anakin will become a hero in the Clone Wars, and it will go to his head. Pride will be a big part of his turn to the dark side. Think about it: he's spent his formative years as a slave, ignored and unrespected, then he spends the next 15 or so years immersed in Jedi discipline, which I imagine is pretty intense. Then suddenly he is famous, the hero of the moment. The whoel galaxy is at his feet. It might be hard for him to resist temptation at this point, given his history.

 

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I agree that pride will also be part of the fallout. When the Clone Wars take place, he won't be older than early 20's if that. He will be oung and impressionable. I'm interested to see exactly how Palpatine will take advantage of all this.

 

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Go cheaters !

I guess you've all heard of the "Obi-Wan dance with the dark side in Episode II" theory that appeared (again !) in an interview of Ewan McGregor.
They (We) have discussed this in another thread, but as this is THE greatest Obi-Wan thread, I think we should bring the debate here...
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Disbelievers think that the rumor is false, that Ewan McGregor had too much pints (as if THAT could ever happen ! http://216.32.191.104/forum/ )... and that he was really talking about Anakin.

But my opinion is that Obi-Wan flirting with the dark side is a good move, which will bring character development.
We want our favorite characters to change, to grow up, to recognize their mistakes and to learn from them. If we agree that Anakin, Amidala and Obi-Wan are the three "heroes" of the first trilogy, they all have to face trials to discover who they really are.

Han, Leia and Luke (and Lando !) all grew up during the second trilogy. They all were all tempted by their "dark side" in a certain way.
Han could have returned to the Hutts, keep on smuggling and not mingle with the rebels.
Leia could easily have despaired after the destruction of Alderaan, or on Bespin.
Luke was... Well, he was tempted all the time.
So the three heroes of the first trilogy must all face temptations and trials too. The only difference is that this time, one of them will fall...

 

It would add a lot of drama, if Obi-Wan was also tempted by the dark side along with Anakin. Maybe Sidious has to get Obi-Wan out of the way before he can really take Anakin over to the dark side-- so that Anakin's loyalties to Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are broken, and he won't look back. Esp. since I don't think Anakin really turned on purpose-- but if he had no one to go back to, that just eliminates options. Sidious might tempt Obi-Wan and Anakin in order to set up a situation where Anakin would defeat him, and his view of his master would be tainted. Perhaps that is the catalyst for the supposed duel-- though I don't think that Obi-Wan will go down that path too far, because he would get sucked in pretty quickly. Just enough so that he catches himself-- and that could be one of the reasons he isolates himself on Tatooine and feels he has failed.


We've already seen him flirt with the dark side, so we know it's in him-- I don't think those moments of anger in TPM were an isolated incident. Anger and pride are his weaknesses, and when he resists dark-side temptation and loses Anakin too, I think he has finally overcome his flaws and absolved himself. It's a big price to pay though, but I think he comes around by the end and dies as the perfect Jedi at Vader's hand.

 

I would love to see Obi-Wan be tempted by the Dark Side! First, it would add more depth to an already wonderfully complex character. Second, it would give Ewan some material to showcase his acting skills.

The bottom line: You just can't get enough Obi-Wan!

 

You know what? I just can't see that happening. My reasoning is, it would be redundant. Obi-Wan was tempted by the darkside in his duel with Maul. It almost got him killed. That in itself would have been the wake up call Obi-Wan needed to never go down that path again. For those who will try to counter my agrument with "Well Luke did". It's a safe bet to say that Obi-Wan is much more mature then Luke. Plus there are others ways to develope Obi-Wan's character. Many don't like this idea, but what if he falls for Amidala. Having to choose between following his heart vs following what is right in his head. Another thing is Obi-Wan's insecurities with being a teacher. Not knowing how to proceed properly with it but his pride preventing himself from asking for help. Qui-Gon's death could still be haunting him as well. Feeling he failed his master. All these other points could be used for his character developement instead of being tempted by the darkside again. I just don't like the darkside idea because it gets used enough as it is. Big time with both Anakin and Luke. For once I would like to see the developement of a Jedi character more through interpersonal conflicts rather then through conflicts with the force. I think Obi-Wan will be that character. My two cents http://216.32.191.104/forum/

 

Ha ha, the infamous love triangle theory. Well, I'm certainly not against it, http://216.32.191.104/forum/ but beware, Old Juan, it is indeed VERY controversial...

But what you said about Obi-Wan's character being developped in a more "normal" way... Maybe that's what a "flirt with the dark side" means. Just that he will have doubts, problems... that he will make mistakes and later regret them.

 

I wouldn't classify having interpersonal conflicts "flirting with the darkside". Interpersonal conflicts are just interpersonal confilcts. Its studying and analyzing things about yourself. It may result in conflict but that doesn't mean it's dark. I still think that Obi-Wan will have learned better then to let his inner conflicts cloud his judgement. On with this discusion.

 

Hello Kids, now where do you wanna go? That's right kids..Uncle Kenobi's Clubhouse and boy O' boy we're gonna have fun today.


P.S. Sorry I coudn't help it.

 

Nudge nudge...to the top!!!

Here's a question: do you all think Vader ever figured out what happened to Obi-Wan at the end of ANH? He was pretty confused when his old master just disappeared like that. It seems like he's never seen a Jedi do that before (and he had obviously seen lots of em die ) Do you think he realizes at some point that ole Ben is still around, helping Luke and foiling all Vader's plans?

 

I don't think Vader ever figures it out. In ESB he says, "He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him". Obviously Vader is wrong. Obi-Wan still assists Luke in spirit. This has many implications. This gives support in favor of the disappearing trick being a very elusive techique that only highest level Jedi Masters can do. Obi-Wan is one by the way. Lucas stated that it was a "SKILL".

 

I believe what you are looking for is:

"In a time of change
A young man holds in his hands
The fire ... of a dying age

To take the step from student to master
He must trust himself . . . to stand alone"

*lol* No I did not just recall that from memory, I actually have the Quicktime movie clip of it

And your right, Obi-Wan is, perhaps, the most tragic character. It made watching Epsode 1 quite difficult. I developed an empathy with his character, and watching the prequel, knowing his life would turn out as it would, knowing he was going to die, made the movie all that much sadder. (please excuse my horrendous grammer)

 

It's ok Lwyn'nya. Most of us here feel for Obi-Wan. By the way since the fan fiction forum is being retarded, I just wanted to let you know that I think your writing is great. I enjoy your stories. Keep up the good work.

 

First off, great thread!

Secondly, from what I have read on the 'net, it would seem that Anakin progresses to the status of Jedi Knight, if not Jedi Master, in Episodes 2 and 3. If so, it means that Kenobi does not fail in Anakin's training as presumably he would have passed 'the trials' and all other requirements of a jedi.

I believe that Kenobi's 'failure' occurs later, when he fails in his attempt to bring Anakin back to the light side of the Force. Based on ROTJ, it would seem that this failure is felt particularly strongly by Vader, as revealed in his conversations with Luke. This would add a great deal of drama to the confrontation between Kenobi and Anakin/Vader, as Kenobi's departure from the battle (believing Anakin/Vader dead) may have been perceived as a cruel betrayal of an injured friend - and this could have been exploited by Sidious to turn Anakin/Vader against the jedi.

 

Great thread!

After thinking about this for a while, I came to the conclusion that Obi-Wan's 'failure' doesn't come about during Anakin's formal training. As indicated by Lucas, over the course of the next two episodes, we'll see Anakin rise to the status of jedi knight and then jedi master. If so, how could Obi-Wan have failed?

I believe that Obi-Wan's apparent 'failure' occurs during his confrontation with Anakin, and is felt by both parties.

The way I see it, Anakin always had the potential to return to the light side of the Force, but was TOO AFRAID (refer ROTJ). It is possible that Anakin was depending upon Obi-Wan to lead him away from the dark side of the Force. Unfortunately, Anakin's fear may have been too strong, leading to the confrontation between himself and Obi-Wan. Anakin, then, blames his own failings on Obi-Wan - a fact compounded by a sense of betrayal when Obi-Wan unknowingly leaves behind the dying body of Anakin.

The failure felt by Obi-Wan, then, stems from his failure to restore Anakin to the light side - not from any failings in his teaching (as Anakin does become a full jedi). The bitterness felt by Vader was probably used by Sidious to fuel Vader's hatred of the jedi and initiate the jedi purge.

I also believe that the jedi council may have had full knowledge of what was to happen. Their reluctance may have been attributable in part to their unwillingness to let squillions of people die before balance was brought to the Force, and also in part to their reluctance to sacrifice one of their own.

Anyway, Obi-Wan has always been my favourite character - I hope that it is done justice in the following installaments.

 

That's probably one of the best theories I've heard. It fits the story well. Obi-Wan's wisdom in a truth from a certin point of view would fit well with it as well. I have always felt there was more to Obi-Wan's "failure" then we knew. I hope your theory's correct. Good post.

 

Most thought-provoking forum-thread I've read in a L-O-N-G time. I'm not one to 2nd-guess on plot-details that have yet to be written, but all the above Speculation (and, speculative-Arguments) are...as a certain un-named 'pointy-eared' logician would say: "fascinating". However, 1 question, or, maybe, problem, with the discussion (same as for the whole series, as a matter of fact): If one has a 'Destiny', does this refer to something 'one CAN'T avoid'? If so, then no one can be 'evil/contemptible/tragic/heroic', can they? They were 'carried' to events in spite of their (imagined?) 'choices', and were 'destined' to....fail being a good (enough; in-their-own-mind, anyway) teacher, or 'destined' to rule the Empire (and die at the hands of one's apprentice), or 'destined' to help crush freedom in the galaxy, then, crush the Boss-crusher and let freedom reign. Where 'destiny' supposedly applies, I see robots marching to its tune rather than intelligences making choices. How can anyone be 'blamed/praised' for following a 'Destiny'? What can 'Redemption' mean for someone who 'was Destined' to do (whatever)? Unless 'destiny' means something else? If so, ....this is my question: what?

 

...oh, for what it's worth: Up, Up and Away--To The TOP!!

 

I agree with you on this. Poor Ben should stand up and throw away his feelings of guilt. I think Qui-Gon should be the one to bear this heavy burden. After all, it is clear that he rushed off on many things, like taking Jar Jar with them, but also making promise Ben he'll teach Anakin the ways of the Force. I mean, when Yoda says that he disagrees I definitely would reconsider the choice of training Anakin. But Ben probably felt he owed Qui-Gon this one and we all know what his promise started. So yes, Kenobi is one of the saddest persons in SW.