Mini Series Obi-Wan Kenobi - Part 6 (Series Finale!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

From the Q&A with Chow and Hayden.

 

It’s pretty crazy how naturally athletic Hayden is. I sometimes wonder how far he might have gone in hockey if he never found acting and had stayed with hockey. I remember seeing a clip of him at some point playing hockey and he reminded me a bit of a young Patrick Kane.

 

I wonder, given Reva's character arc in this series and given her fate (I read somewhere she was originally supposed to die and it got changed), what the future holds for her further development. It would have to tie into her back story and the growth and development and the lessons learnt from this series I would think.

I wonder, to further give her character greater meaning for the overall story, if she may become a protector of sorts for children (and their families) that are Force Sensitive. It would be somewhat similar to the role she played as part of the Inquisitors where she hunts and roams the Galaxy in search of those showing Force potential. But instead of in a group, she adopts a "lone wolf" sort of existence - sort of like Ahsoka and Cal Kestis who pursue what is meaningful to them. And instead of killing those FS, she helps them evade the Inquisitors.

By adopting this sort of life and purpose, Reva will constantly put herself in direct conflict with the Inquisitors and will act as some sort of protector and shield whilst the people she is protecting get away. I'm not saying she is part of "The Path", but she will be just as incredibly important as these people; but in her own way.

It would give a real sense of purpose and meaning to the Reva character because basically she is the opposing force to what is currently happening in the Galaxy at this time where Palpatine is trying to purge the Galaxy of those FS.

I would really like to see Reva used in this capacity and have her own show; where the other Inquisitors are her antagonists.

 

Yeah I think the lighting and cinematography has been more miss than hit in this series. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's been bad, but it's had the cinematography and lighting more akin to Star Trek: The Next Generation, which I suppose is the expectation of a mid-range (in terms of budget) TV show.

 

The finale was just perfection. Once Obi-Wan

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breaks Vader's mask in half and starts saying, "I'm sorry, Anakin"

, I started to tear up. There was just so much emotion, and the hatred spewing from Vader and

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Hayden's acting

gave me chills. You really see why Obi-Wan tells Luke in Jedi that Vader was more machine than man, twisted and evil.

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"My friend is truly dead. Goodbye, Darth."

That statement makes Luke's similar proclamation in Jedi all the more heart wrenching.

Chow and co stuck the landing. I really can't pick anything apart here. It was just too fun, so emotional and so well done. And hey, we finally got to see

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Qui-Gon's ghost!

 

In that Q&A Chow acknowledges that she wishes she had been given the budget of a feature film. That’s the first time we’ve heard her acknowledge that she had to work on a smaller budget than a feature film and that they had to get creative (and likely find ways to stretch the budget and save it for the biggest moments). I respect that and I’m glad she spoke of it and I’m thankful she and the crew did all they could do make the most of the budget they had.

It does make me wonder how much money was given to Ewan to return overall. I remember Ford got a boat load to return for TFA.

 

Did I read correctly that Grogu was in a Reva Flashback? Or was that just my imagination?

 

The two planets represent light and dark

And the inner turmoil both characters are going through for different reasons.

 

Whatever Ewan was paid, he earned every penny. That guy nailed it. Just a phenomenal performance all the way through.

Also the relationship between Obi-Wan and Leia was something I never knew I needed, but now can't live without. They were SO CUTE together. Loved their dynamic. Loved this show. Flaws and all. I had so much fun. Best new content since Rogue One (Sorry, Mandalorian--still love you though).

 

If he was I didnt see him as I was looking out for that.

I do think Reva was the one to rescue him....

 

Its said the budget was 90 million. i dunno if thats true. but 90 million is considered alot of money for even a movie. Even though alot of Star Wars movies are around 150 to 200 million. But then if this is the issue with the TV Shows, then thats unfortunate.

Ewan and Hayden probably got paid very well for their return. Thats probably another reason they got Hayden to do publicity. Earn his pay.

Talking of lightning. Some parts during the Vader and Obi Wan sequence were very dark and hard to see.

 

Grogu wasn’t rescued during Order 66. He was guarded in what appears to be a room with 3 adult Jedi at the door. A garrison of Clone Troopers in armor eventually overwhelm them with blaster shots and he is then captured and taken later by people with ties to the Emperor and held in that facility where Mando first broke him out of. Likely for Palpatine’s clone experiments that later lead to the creation of Dathan, Snoke and the other bodies he kept force essence transferring himself into to cling to life.

IIRC they said Grogu had been there for many years. I get the impression that when Palpatine first transferred his consciousness to the first clone host on Exegol some of these old Empire plans he had put in place went on the back burner and without his direct influence and the end of the Empire lost momentum. It seems for years after the events of ROTJ the Acolytes of Exegol just kept moving him to new clone hosts but his dark side kept slowly poisoning the new clone bodies until he’d go on life support and begin the process again. Dathan is eventually made and seems promising but can’t wield the force at all so Palpatine loses interest in him and he escapes. That’s when it seems they began working on different mutations and eventually beings that look like Snoke. That’s what’s in the TROS book and some of the public excerpt releases Lucasfilm shared with media for Shadow of the Sith anyway. Mixed in with some of what we see in TROS. My guess is the next season of Mando might show us more clone tech and possibly even hints at Snoke. We already saw a body that looked like early Snoke in Mando before. I also think Bad Batch might get into some of this by the end or S2.

 

I've asked this before, as have other people but I haven't seen a response, or maybe I overlooked it. Why was Reva trying to kill Luke?

 

Revenge vs Vader. Yes I know it's weird, but it is quite clear at this point that the plot of this show is... Let's say 'of suspicious quality'.

 

I would say better than the 80s/90s ST shows. There have been some pretty serious advancements in terms of technology since then.

 

Huh. That was one of my assumptions. So...she was going to get back at Vader by killing the son that he didn't know he had? And for her plan to succeed she'd have to 1) get word to Vader that he had a son, and then 2) tell him that she killed him?

 

I don't think she intended on going to Vader and informing him he had a son that she killed. He probably wouldn't buy that.

 

Yes.
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The truth is we don’t know 100% what she feels she’s determined. I think she strongly suspects the boy is important to not only Kenobi and Bail but perhaps also to Vader. She might believe the “If he’s found you, if he’s learned of the children” refers to Vader and at a minimum knows that Kenobi and Bail are worried of what might happen if he does learn of the children. Why would they be so worried about this boy if he weren’t special? Let’s not forget that at the time she is also mad at Kenobi. She tells him in the episode prior that she is mad he wasn’t there during Order 66 to protect her and her friends. She shares anger over the fact that Vader was Kenobi’s padawan. There’s a small chance that she might think this boy could be Kenobi’s and that killing him will give her some sense of justice for the death of her own friends that day. I’m sure the fact that Vader told her Kenobi usd her also didn’t make her particularly happy with Kenobi. She’s twisted by the dark side so it’s okay for her to be messed up and not thinking that rationally.

One thing she does seem to strongly suspect is that this boy is not Owen’s biological child. She states: “You love him like he’s your own.” Owen then tells her “He is my own.”

So, the dialogue tells us she knows something is up here but probably isn’t 100% sure what.

She’s an emotional wreck here and probably not far from the twisted mindset that lead Vader at first to believe that killing kids would help him save Padme. When these people are consumed by the dark side they’re looking for excuses to take out their issues on others. Maybe it’s also as simple as that. She’s been following Kenobi for a long time and this was one other part of his mystery for her.

Eventually, she seems to realize that all of the things she’s doing aren’t who she wants to be. That she is becoming too much like that which she most hates.

 

Killing Luke wasn't about getting back at Vader (obviously, since she didn't know whose kid he was). It was about hurting the Jedi by killing a Force sensitive child. She blamed people like Obi-Wan for allowing Order 66 to happen, for abandoning her and her family and hiding like cowards.
She did hate Vader most of all, but if she couldn't kill him, then she was gonna make those indirectly responsible pay somehow.

 

Yeah, I'm still not sold on the "She wants to kill Anakin's son" theory. Again, I see no evidence that she even knows of that connection. I assumed it was because she knew he was important to Obi-Wan and thought she would hurt him by going after Luke.

But admittedly, the show did a bad job of explaining this. One of it's charming flaws that I choose to not harp on too much.

 

I would love to see her continue on in a series...perfect casting.

I thought it was made clear when she saw the message from Bail to Obi Wan, which led her to Tatooine to begin with. She indicated she wanted to kill Luke as (warped) justice for her youngling family. Obi Wan's and her conversation spelled that out fairly well, IMO.

 

The plot of this show is too contrived even for SW standards.

 

At the end, Reva's dialogue implied that she wanted to kill Luke to avenge her dead friends. That only makes sense if she believed killing Luke would hurt Vader.