ST Ochi of Bestoon

It's not that confusing, Django, they all basically come under the same umbrella in the end.

Think of the Eternal as the clergy, the Final Order as the military (navy, trooper corps, techs, blah blah), with the First Order beforehand being basically sleight-of-hand diversion and laying out the chess pieces. They're all doing Palpatine's bidding, only difference is the First Order didn't know it.

As for the Knights, sounds like they probably started out as something else, pre-dating Palpatine's consciousness being revived in the body, but somewhere along the way were brought into the fold, willingly, similar goals and a respect for the Great Evil, yadda yadda.

 

Nm

 

His full name was Cap'n Ochi Readmoresithrunes.

Ochi's appearance makes me wonder if the look of KX-series security droids (K-2SO) were modeled after Ochi's people.

 

My impression of the scene and the subsequent material that has been released suggests, to me, that Bestoon's Legacy was owned by Rey's parents and was hi-jacked by Ochi in the immediate period after they left Rey on Jakku. They were murdered by Ochi - for not revealing Rey's location - then he continued on his mission to recover the Sith dagger on Passana. The dagger is the key to discovering Palpatine's Wayfinder on Kef Bir. The dagger was on Passana all along.

 

He somehow looked like Maz' older brother

 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Rey healed the creature who killed the murderer of her parents.

 

I think Ochi died of starvation down there.

 

The problem with this theory is that the film states her parents were killed using the dagger. That's why she's so affected by the "memories" of its evil uses when she touches it.

 

Ahh - good pick-up. I forgot about that. So...what was on Pasanna then? What drew him there??

 

the design of the character is super creepy. So if it's the same ship from the flashback, I am wondering at one point did Rey's parents get the cash and get the drinking money before Ochi found them. Cuz it totally looks like he takes them out on Jakku. Also why would kid Rey be hollering "come back!" and the ship that Ochi is flying around in?

Anyway, Ochi also had a sweet Sith hood ornament and ran into a snake, so that's the end of that. Odd that a secret assassin would have the sith hood ornament but maybe nobody knew what is was unless they're in the know/Threepio.

 

Lit has my latest topic with lots of lore compiled and presenting a clearer picture regarding Ochi, Rey's parents and more connected to both. Still many open questions but all put together at least paints a partial picture and erases some guesswork:

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/occhi-of-bestoon-and-the-story-of-reys-parents-decoded.50053064/

 

Great thread name, love to visit Bestoon...

 

Read it. This is what the blade says:

They way I see it, Ochi was betrayed. That wayfinder was not for him.

Also, the VD says: 'for reasons that remain a mystery, the ship is loaded with dozens upon dozens of blaster rifles and pistols'. Rey's 'father' is wearing a bandolier when Ochi stabs him. Cailey Fleming said little Rey wore 'war clothes' in the TFA vision.

Maybe those weapons were Ochi's, but that would not rule out a 'war'. (In the 2015 leaks, there seems to be something like a war between the KOR and the Clan. Maybe the war was, and had always been, about a certain child, at least on the KOR side. Rey had to be isolated from her 'clan', and a war would create the confusion needed for that to happen. Rey was isolated from her parents, and her parents from this 'clan' before that)

 

Maybe her parents hid/lived with a clan, much like Lor San Tekka did witht he Church of the Force in TFA, and the Knights of Ren came slaughtering them, but Rey and parents got away. Though I am not sure we can conflate the clan of her parents with the one Kylo slaughtered in the Forceback with his Knights of Ren. At this point Kylo was still Ben.

Another option I hadn't considered yet is this: Did Occhi kidnap Rey? And her parents hunted him and caught up and got her back finally? Ultimately he killed them, but maybe he wanted Rey alive! That'd sure account for war and separation and parents on the warpath. At least they got their kid back... Lando never did. Was he also in the kidnapping business then? Is that what he was doing on Paasana maybe?

Thx for your ideas, I will crosspost your post and my reply in my other topic too!

 

The VD specifically states that ship always belonged to Ochi on pages 127, 128 and129. Its ideal for loner type pilots and scouts & was designed and manufactured during the waning years of the Republic, so its basically a Clone Wars era vehicle. Ochi made some add-ons , and he's something of a droidsmith himself. The VD also states he was swallowed up by the shifting mires/sands, both him and his landspeeder. He's been dead 15 years prior to them finding Ochi's remains. Rey witnessed or vaguely remembers that ship flying away or a ship similar to it, not that she was actually dropped off in that ship in TROS/VD. Pablo goes on to play with Rey's exact recollection of the event seen in TFA and Ochi's ship, things like her emotions, her slipping control of her abilities, turbulent thoughts ect.

The movie claims Ochi to be an old Jedi hunter but the VD never relaly touched upon that, he's just a Sith Cultist and an assassin in the book.

 

yah it seems a wee bit difficult to directly connect the "come back!" shot from the forceback scene to something that actually totally happened because it's Ochi's ship and why would she be yelling that at Ochi. Also there's need to be time for Rey's Parents to spend her cash on "drinking money" at some point. It could even be "Phew, we dumped Rey and let's buy some water and Dahh Sith cultist just kidnapped us!"

 

It's rather vague on how long the ship has been Ochi's. Plenty of room for "he stole it." It specifically says that Ochi did not buy or make D-O - he killed D-O's master.

 

I think you're connecting the ship to D-O's original creator, which there is no connection aside from Ochi killed that person and D-O was taken by Ochi. The VD states that D-O was was cobbled together by an unknown droidsmith felled by Ochi's blade. Ochi, an assassin by trade, still had many past times during his long stretches of time away and isolation between assignments. While some of his hobbies were sinister, he also collected droid technology and designed and built some of his own. Ochi claimed D-O after the slaying of his original master, but Ochi never programed the droid to be sinister, he just used it more as a source of amusement and later on as data storage and then eventually ignored & discarded it.

 

I'm not saying the ship was owned by D-O's owner - but I'm pointing out that the possibility that the ship was not bought by Ochi exists - and that the VD doesn't actually say he bought it straight from a ship dealer.

 

My head canon is that Ochi is one of the many Snoke clones as well as the numerous cultists in the crowd. They all have a similar look. I'm not saying they're all Snoke, I'm just saying they're all clones or whatever it is. Some became Snokes, one became Ochi, the rest whatever.

 

Maybe it's disruptive but to me the movies are still the only mandatory canon for such discussions. From the film it appears that Ochi captured Rey's parents and took their ship. Alternatively I suppose maybe he fuond them on Jakku and her force attunement at this early age enabled her to know that her folks were on that ship. Or maybe she saw them enter it, but didn't know that they never left it alive. It all depends on what interpretations one is willing to make. For instance, Kylo Ren's claim that they sold her for drinking money turns out to be false later, so his claim about their graves might also be false. He's building on her perceptions that he can see using the Force, or that he could see when he looked into her mind. What does she know about where her parents were buried, or what they did with the money after they sold her to Unkar Plutt? Why does he call them drunks? Does he really know this?

 

Kylo says explicitly "I never lied to you." so his statements about being sold for drinking money and dead in a pauper's grave can still be true along with "they chose to be nobody." It's really just the series of events of selling Rey, having a drink (of any liquid) with the money, being killed by Ochi and dumped in a pauper's grave. Somewhere in there kid Rey yells "Come back!" and the ship that turns out to be Ochi's.

and he gets eaten by a snake, don't forget!

 

Well, its not true and its still remains a lie. Its one of those oddities from JJ's TROS where he seemed to have been flipping the bird to Johnson's TLJ. But Kenobi already established that truth in Star Wars can be subjective,lol.

Ochi seems to have been around a very long time along with his personalized WTK-85A transport ship as the VD states he was drawn to the independence of the design. So it does elude that Ochi had chose & bought the ship precisely because of his design was ideal for the kind of work he did for the Sith/Empire. The Drive system of the Legacy has state-of-the-art navicomputer that granted the shp an impressive supralight performance, which was ideal for when he was on assassination assignments that required him to be on one side of the galaxy to another quickly. It also could match near-starfighter speeds.

The movie established him as an old Jedi hunter and a Sith Loyalist, which implies he was something like an Inquisitor. Its unknown why they did not go that route and make him more interesting and so goofy looking, but the VD makes him to be a cunning rootless Sith Eternal/Cultist assassin and also an associate of Yupe Tashu's and Acolytes of the Beyond.

The VD also states he's a drunk and spilled the beans about the wayfinder in some bar around the time Luke and Lando were searching. .

The VD also states that the Ochi was obsessed with Sith arcana and was a Dark Side religious zealot that was familiar with forbidden Sith texts. He bore the traditional hex charm of Sith assassins[Sith Eternal emblem] and everyone he killed he believed was in service of a greater darkness beyond the veil.

The VD more portrays the Sith Eternal was to have been the main villain in TROS and more generalized Dark Side, whether this was the original plan, that got edited or overshadowed during production or post production or made to hide the details about the phantom Emperor Palpatine not sure. But Pablo did something similar for the VD for SOLO, Darth Maul remained well hidden in the book where it was just Dryden Vos and the Crimson Dawn .

 

Yeah, Ben/Kylo didn't lie to her. But those statements being true is another thing.

Already in TFA there was a hint of him and Rey sharing backstory - by proxy, let's say. The KOR/clan part.

Rey was 12-13 at the time;so it had to do with his backstory; he kills the clan leader. But then he walks towards someone we can't see (someone behind TFA Rey,who was not there at the time) and then, in that very place, little Rey appears; and that has to do with her backstory. Maz's 'the belonging you seek is not behind you' can be read literally.

Like, 1st degree, and 3rd, of Kevin Bacon sharing the 2nd degree person(s), without knowing.

'Other interested parties', to borrow Major Toht's line. Ochi and his employers, for example. The KOR/clan leader guy. The clan itself. Etc.

I mean, maybe 'filthy junk traders that sold you off for drinking money and were buried in a paupers grave' was the result of Kylo's past -which, at some point, nearly crossed paths with little Rey's- interacting with hers when they touched hands. He wouldn't know. (And, if you go back far enough, maybe someone had wanted it that way)

 

Great points that make me think, what if "sold for drinking money and dead in a paupers grave" does not refer to her parents at all but to Ochis fate! He was hired for drinking money for he drunk it off afterwards and died in a paupers grave below the sand, unmarked and forgotten.

Maybe Kylo saw the ship in Rey's vision and assumed it belonged to her parents and could somehow sense Ochis fate but put no face to it, believing he saw her parents fate!

Likewise, Rey when touching the lightsaber did not see her parents past but as you said part of Kylos past intercut with hers. Regarding the clan and clanleader, everyone assumed the clan does matter but as Maz said "not behind you", what is important is her future is tied to the Knights of Ren and especially Kylo Ren and the vision showed her them because of that, not because of the clan.

If you don't mind I'll crosspost your post and my reply to the Lit Occhi topic ! thx