*OFFICIAL* AotC at the Box Office Thread

'cause technically his work isnt ORIGINAL because there are five different Star Wars movies...I think...Anyway, is anyone else a little worried about AOTC weekend? I mean there have yet to be Estimates posted!

*looks around nevously*

All I ask is for a $200,000 weekend...




~ICeBReaKeR

 

Why was John williamsn "not eliegible"? Is it becuse he already won like 200 oscars or something?

Since Icebreaker quickly changed the subject, the reason why John Williams isn't eligible is because AOTC's score is obviously not original (SW main theme, Duel of the Fates, Imperial March, Yoda's theme, Emperor's theme and Force theme rehash). A film's score has to be completely original.

Although TESB obviously has the SW main theme and the Force theme, it still nevertheless had a very orginal soundtrack...which is why it got nominated (and I think won) for Best Music in '81.

Moulin Rouge got nominated for tons of Oscars except for Best Music because of the reasons above.

 

oh. I did not know that. Thank you. Although I do understand that for both TPM and AOTC, all recording was brand new. Althogh I still don't understand. I pay a lot of attention to music in movies, and while many of the themes are payed again in the prequels, there is a tremendous amount of new music in it that most people don't even relaise. Although I will say uch of it is deriviteves of older themes, but it has to, they are the charactres thmes being developed.

Oh well, I hope AOTC numbers are posted sosn and do quite well anyhow.

 

FYI, any movie's score can be nominated for an Oscar, whether it's a sequel or not, or whether or not it contains previously used movie themes. There is no restriction in this area. The scores are nominated by the musical members of the Academy in the same way that actors nominate actors, directors nominate directors, etc.

The designation that it has to be an original score is intended to differentiate it from other musical sources, such as Scott Joplin's ragtime piano music which was the basis for the Marvin Hamlisch's score for THE STING which won an Oscar for adaptation. Or from a Broadway musical, such as WESTSIDE STORY. There is a separate Oscar awarded for adaptations.

ESB's score did not win an Oscar for John Williams.

John Williams has won Oscars for five movies:

1. 1971 FIDDLER ON THE ROOF for his adaptation of the Broadway musical.

2. 1975 JAWS

3. 1977 STAR WARS

4. 1982 E.T.

5. 1993 SCHINDLER'S LIST

There is no limitation on how many times a person may be nominated or win an Academy Award. John Williams has been nominated for an Oscar more times than any other living person...
41 nominations.

 

Well exccuuuuuuuuuuse me.

 

Please excuse ME for being such a know-it-all on this stuff. Movie music is something I actually DO know a little about, where as the rest of the time, I'm usually faking it, lol

 

No0o...you should all EXCUUUSE me...



...'cause I farted




~ICeBReaKeR

 

Icebreaker!

Yes, (holds nose), excuuuuuse you!

 

John Williams' TPM score indeed was eligible for the oscars as is AOTC.

I am not a movie score expert, but I have been told that the reason why John's TPM score wasn't nominated for an oscar at the March 2000 Oscar show was because in the actual movie, which is what the voting for the category is based on, the score is heavily edited especially during the end battle. That is supposedly what cost him a nomination.

GIven that his AOTC is also heavily edited in the movie as well as it appears that some snippets from the TPM were directly lifted from TPM and layed into the battle sequence at the end of AOTC doesn't help it case, I am afraid to say.

I don't agree with the Oscars on this, but apparently they have something against edited scores and they like their nominees to be non-edited and exactly how they were performed by the orchestra.

Oh well.

 

Boxoffice Mojo now has AOTC's world-wide gross at 605.9 million dollars.

I agree Luuke, I think a heavily edited score (in this case by Lucas) is a negative with the Academy. They aren't really getting to hear the composer's true intentions, and that counts against him.

 

Well its good to see an official number that shows AOTC over $600 Million Worldwide

*lets out deep sigh of relief*

Now all thats left is $300 Million (domestically I mean)




~ICeBReaKeR

 

According to Ben Burtt, one of John Williams assistants edits the music cues.

 

lol, I assure you with Lucas's approval!

William's assistant doesn't pick and choose the music for inclusion! His assistant DOES edit the music for inclusion on the CD soundtracks that are released. That would be Ken Wannberg. But he doesn't have final say on how music cues are used in the film.

 

MOST SUCCESSFUL DIGITAL MOVIE EVER!

No one can take that away from AOTC . . . until Episode III comes out, of course

 

At least AOTC was number one again this weekend in Japan...

cinemanavi.co.jp/english

Also according to Variety this was a holiday weekend in Japan and films were predicted to increase from last weekend numbers...

Now that AOTC estimates are not been given, expect no more daily numbers either...sadly.

 

605 Million. It looks as if it won't make much more and should end up with around 620 Million worldwide. That's great for most movies but not for Star Wars.
Yes, it is Number 13 or 14 on the All-time Box office but that figure means nothing due to inflation. Look at it this way - It's only the fourth most successful film of the last eight months and in the UK it's only the fifth most successful one (Monsters Inc. made more money). That is not spectacular.

 

Hey TUKAFO

It will pull in Japan alone another 15-25 mill for sure, so total should be around 640-660 I HOPE

 

Yeah, Tukafo, but AOTC sure whipped Spider-Man's arse in the U.K., didn't it?

 

I always thought TPM score wasnt eligable because JW already had another music score nominated and he couldnt have 2. I didn't realise it was because it wasnt original.

 

the TPM score was original, though

 

You can have 2 Academy Award nominations for one year. In fact, Williams was nominated for two this year. He was up for both his HARRY POTTER score AND his score for Spielberg's A.I.

 

Damn...six straight weeks for AOTC in Japan is pretty good, I wonder if it could hold on ONE more weekend over there!




~ICeBReaKeR

 

I wouldn't be surprised if AOTC makes it to $640-$650 million worldwide. That will put it ahead of Lost World but behind Sixth Sense - the new number 12 on the all-time list (not adjusted for inflation).

Despite "Spider-Man's" domestic success, I think it has a fair chance of coming in second or third worldwide to "Chamber of Secrets" and/or "The Two Towers"

Predictions for Worldwide grosses, 2002

Chamber of Secrets: $825 million worlwide
Spider-Man: $800 million worldwide
The Two Towers: $775 million worldwide
AOTC: $650 million worldwide

The main difference between FOTR and T2T is that T2T is going to have a bigger opening weekend than FOTR. Whether it has the legs of FOTR remains to be seen, but it will get a much better head start.

Chamber of Secrets may open as big as the original and will likely get better critical reviews, since overall I think it is a stronger story. The question mark is the extent to which kids still care about Harry Potter. Will families continue to be lured in to this franchise?

 

I doubt very much that HP2 will cross $800 Million worldwide...



~ICeBReaKeR

 

Ultimately, Chamber of Secret probably only needs $300 million worldwide to justify making part 3, but I would say it's guaranteed to make $450 million worldwide.

In this case, however, I believe there's a strong chance that the overall quality (provided it wasn't hurt by the tight production schedule) is better than the original. Face it, The Sorcerer's Stone was a spectacularly mediocre film that did the bare minimum it needed to do in order to capitalize on the Harry Potter phenomenon in exactly the same way that TPM achieved the bare minimum necessary to capitalize on the Star Wars brand name.