Rogue One [Official Info] Mon Mothma in Rogue One

In the newcanon comic Princess Leia - Ackbar is present for the evacuation of Yavin immediately after ANH.

In the newcanon novel Lost Stars, Rieekan is present around ROTJ.


We can safely say that "extended and earlier screenplays" are not especially relevant to the franchise any more.

 

Iron_lord

We can safely say that original intentions by the Star Wars creator/s are sometimes no longer relevant to the franchise.

His death on Hoth according to the screenplay that's darn close to the final version sufficiently explains the absence of the character for the remainder of the film and during the Rebel briefing in ROJ.

Then what about General Veers? Is he still alive according to nuCanon? He was also killed in the battle by Hobbie's suicide attack, but since this isn't explicitly shown in the final film, does that mean nuCanon could just ressurect him from the dead?

 

Pretty much, yeah.

 

Darth Chiznuk

I was being rhetorical, I should have written "should". Anyway, such ressurections don't respect the original intentions of the people involved in the actual production that knew better.

 

But it's not like the original people involved didn't do the exact same thing. Vader wasn't intended to be Luke's father nor was Leia intended to be his sister. The Emperor was originally intended to be a weak politician before becoming the evil Sith master of Vader. Stories change and as long as it doesn't contradict what's actually been established then I don't see the problem.

 

I'm not certain how old the Church is, but it's been around since at least the Dark Times. However, that doesn't change the notion that her robes have a clerical look to them and that she herself has a somewhat eerie, mystical quality about her in Return of the Jedi.


Anyway, I'd like to see Jan Dodonna in that base on Yavin.
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Or Commander Willard in Rogue One.

 

I think Dodonna is in the background in the scene with Mon Mothma and Jyn.

 

and Maul wasn't intended to survive that fall in TPM...

 

Mon Mothma's clothes look like she belongs in ancient Greece, or in the Roman Senate. Probably just a nice visual cue that she's the unalloyed spirit of the Rebellion. Pure principle.

 

Bail Organa also wore "Senate robes" at points during the PT (this is from when he's speaking to Sheev in AOTC).

 

Senator robes are classy as hell.

 

Blue fluffy turtlenecks are all the rage these days.

 

The puffy shirt. Jerry Seinfeld would love it.

 

Before the Emperor dissolved the Senate, he banned fluffy turtlenecks. When Bail and a few other proud fluffy turtleneck-wearing Senators refused to abide by the ban, the Emperor used that as a pretense to dissolve the whole Senate.

 

Hahaha this is a great thread!

And man I have always loved Mon Mothma's voice growing up! Genevieve nailed it - gave me chills! Not to mention her looks - wow! That was very possibly my favorite part of the teaser!

 

That was actually in Lost Stars, but yeah I loved that part! Hilarious! And the way she helped him and then listened to him without judgement and with genuine concern was very Mon Mothma. And then his shock and embarrassment when he comes to a realization of who he was talking to when he sees her in the meeting the next day. Haha that really was great!


Edit: Had to DP - past 30 mins, sorry!

 

Darth Chiznuk wrote

But it's not like the original people involved didn't do the exact same thing. Vader wasn't intended to be Luke's father nor was Leia intended to be his sister. The Emperor was originally intended to be a weak politician before becoming the evil Sith master of Vader. Stories change and as long as it doesn't contradict what's actually been established then I don't see the problem.

IMHO you oversimplify the issue. These are premise changes by the "creator" and take place within the same body of work (i.e. the Original Trilogy).
And "within" that body of work - based on the information available to us - both General Veers and General Rieekan died.

I will now adopt this as my signature line:

G-canon was George Lucas canon: Considered absolute canon, it included Episodes I–VI (the released films at that time), and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the scripts, filmed deleted scenes, film novelizations, reference books, radio plays, and other primary sources were also G-canon when not in contradiction with the released films. G-canon overrided the lower levels of canon when there was a contradiction.

Immortiss wrote

Or Commander Willard in Rogue One.


While I'd love to see General Willard in Rogue One I don't believe for one second that this is going to be happening (great and rare picture, BTW).

Despite the public availability of the SW script (printed in the 1979 Art of Star Wars) insufficient EU research has never acknowledged his role as the "commander of the Rebel Forces".

Frankly, it would take a miracle to see a look-alike or have him referenced. Pablo Hidalgo apparently still doesn't know who he is, so counting on that would be a recipe for disappointment.

 

Commander Willard: "When we heard about Alderaan we feared the worst."
Leia: "We have no time for our sorrows commander....."

He's not a General. No need for the EU or any confirmed by Hidalgo.

 

INT. MASSASSI - MAIN HANGAR DECK
The military speeder stops in a huge spaceship hangar, set
up in the interior of the crumbling temple. Willard, the
commander of the Rebel forces, rushes up to the group and
gives Leia a big hug. Every one is pleased to see her.

That's the screenplay and then we have the end credits which list actor Eddie Byrne as "General Willard" (right after General Dodonna).

If his rank badge with five red dots isn't sufficient proof for his rank as general, then the end credits are.

 

"General Willard, Commander of all Rebel Forces of Yavin IV base" could work just as easily as "Moff and Rear Admiral Jerjerrod, Commander of the 2nd Death Star", I suppose.

 

"General Willard, commander of the Rebel Forces".

I insist.

At least Pablo Hidalgo seems to suggest that General Dodonna is the boss of the Rebel Forces on Yavin IV:

“The rebellion that we see in [Star Wars - A New Hope] - we’re just hanging out with General Dodonna’s group – they don’t have those ships. By the time we get to Return of the Jedi we’ve assembled the rebellion, the Rebel fleet all in one place to strike against the Death Star. So the groups that have the A-Wings and the B-Wings and the ships we haven’t seen before bring those to the table.”

 

That's not necessarily the case.

In the U.S. military, for example, a 4-star Admiral or a General can also be a "Commander" of a Combatant Command, whether it be a regional one (such as Commander of U.S. Pacific Command) or a functional/ tactical one (such as Commander of Air Combat Command). Indeed, Combatant Commands in the U.S. military are all run by Generals and Admirals.

So General Willard (as he is referred to in the credits) can also be Commander Willard, if he is the Commander of the Yavin IV Command.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-chief

 

Or Motti snidely addressing Tagge as commander, even though Tagge was a general: "Dangerous to your starfleet, commander, not to this battle station."