Rogue One [Official Info] Vader in Rogue One

The USB stick fell off his keys while on the transport over...

 

I think that would be a real shame, as I found Vader's fighting style to be absolutely, spot-on brilliant in ESB. The way he balanced flurries of lightning-quick combinations with fluid ripostes and those classic, devastating power blows? Very effective on the big screen.

[Incidentally, since you mentioned Malgus, I'd also say that, during the final stretch from when Vader springs on Luke like a cat, all the way until the Dark Lord ends the confrontation with one decisive blow, Vader very much reminds me of Malgus and his fighting style during the attack on the Jedi Temple (the agile movement, the continuous reigning of all those heavy-handed blows, the aggression and hatred just seeping out of every pore).]

You know, I think I'd go so far as to say there's not a thing I'd change about the duel on Cloud City (Vader or Luke).


If Vader can be that intimidating, that overwhelming, and yes, that damned stylish (I mean, flying through the air; playing with his prey; the downright iconic dialogue) in Rogue One (or anywhere else he shows up)?

I'll be a happy Darth Vader fan, indeed.

 

I would like to see Dave Prowse get some sort of role in the anthology films. Whether that be as Vader or some type of cameo role it would be nice to see him recognised for his major input to the Star Wars universe.

 

I wonder if any of the heroes will say, "If only Anakin was still alive."

 

I started the "Acrobatic Darth" in this thread, but I think I like this more. Darth the Tank.

 

I'd like to see Vader use Force Choke on someone in Rogue One. It would be epic.

 

If he's in it, I'm pretty sure we'll see that. It's Vader... he can't not choke people.

 

This will be really bad for a number of reasons. We already know they go to steal the DS plans and we know they succeed. Then if Vader or even Sidious is in this they will most likely do nothing or they will and look like failures for letting the DS plans get away. So we get another film of incompetent imperials again? This will lead up to the beginning of ANH. So it is really a 2 hour film of rebels on one side and imperials on the other shooting at one another? I guess there will be some space battles too? But it will probably be just some snub fighters vs. a star destroyer or two. Alright, I guess.


But the whole time we will watch them fight for plans that we know were stolen and those plans are what help the same rebellion destroy the station those plans are for. So I am trying to figure out what the purpose of this one film is really for?

 

Darth Vader: "Darn! The plans stolen just before I made the corrections to fix that exhaust port thingy."

 

Andy, sometimes the Journey is more important than the Destination.
In most movies you know the good guys will win and the bad guys will be defeated.
How we get there makes the movie.

Rebels and Stormtroopers shooting at each other, and some Space Battles sounds like a fine way to spend a couple of hours.

 

Have Daine Jir as the main villain for most of the film, and then have Vader come in for a mass slaughter at the end.

 

He can just be a "presence" for most of the film. He's mentioned/referenced, and maybe he appears on a holo-message at some point ala Sheev in ESB. Then once the Rebels actually succeed in stealing the plans, he shows up in person, kills all of the "idiots" who failed to stop them, and then goes after Leia himself. Sort of a "ok, now it's REALLY serious" kind of deal.

 

The thing is Vader:

-Is wearing big, bulky, and heavy armor.
-His limbs are all cybernetic (along with other parts of his body). And the parts that are still organic are all hideously scarred/burnt.
-He needs artificial life-support systems just to breathe/survive.
-His injuries presumably leave him in constant pain.

His being all acrobatic and jumping around doesn't even really make sense. His just coming in like a battle tank and overwhelming you with sheer might, like he did to Luke in ESB, fits his current situation so much better.

 

In a way I agree and it's very reminiscent of the PT as we already know the outcome. But I'm not ashamed to say that I really can't wait to see some OT nostalgia, especially if vader is involved and thats the audience
it's aimed at ISO.

 

Yeah I agree with you on the nostalgia. Because all the anthology films seem to be based on OT nostalgia. I am not really into nostalgia all that much. I just feel that this particular film will be more nostalgia than an actual story. The premise of the story seems really thin. But I know some people are all up for nostalgia and that's cool too. I mean I will most likely see this when it comes out. I just hope there is a good story to back all the nostalgia imagery they will put on the screen.

 

As far as any concerns about the Empire/Vader looking like a bunch of losers is concerned: Yes, in the sense that the Alliance will get a hold of the Death Star plans, the good guys will still 'win.' That much is obviously preordained.

But I'm thinking that the 'how' will make all the difference.

For example, as far as I know, there's absolutely nothing which suggests that any of the heroes absolutely MUST survive the events of the film, right? Isn't there still the chance that Vader/the Empire might personally slaughter/capture all of the featured players on the Rebels' side?

What I mean is, as long as the last Rebel standing is still able to transmit the stolen plans to Leia's ship with their dying breath, the mission will be a success. Meanwhile, by personally ensuring the destruction of the Rebel interlopers, Darth Vader could still be seen as a vicious, powerful -- overwhelming -- force.

And heck, having all of the Rebels die might actually make for an even better story than having some of them predictably come back alive, as we are treated to yet another happy ending. In-universe, the sacrifice of the fallen Rebels can be seen as an inspiring example to the rest of their brethren in their struggle against the Empire. While IRL, the film could end on a note of melancholy, tinged with a sense of hope for the future. More of an ESB/ROTS ending, rather than ANH/TPM.

I think there's probably middle-ground enough for everyone to be happy in the end, here.

 

I don't think they will go down the route of all the rebels dying, even in a heroic manner. Hollywood doesn't roll like that. It will still be marketed as a family friendly film. Because SW is a family friendly brand. But who knows? It could go anyway like you said. I am more concerned with seeing the film and it being 2 hours of OT nostalgia imagery being shown just for the sake of seeing OT nostalgia imagery.

And I do also get concerned with having Vader, if he's in it look incompetent. Because this will be a stand alone film which will have its own story and won't have 2 more films to back it up. So if Vader looks incompetent here, this movie will continue into episode 4 and Vader will look bad again because his ship is shot by the MF and he goes spinning away from the DS. Maybe that is looking into it too much?

Like I have said before, I just want more than just nostalgia imagery. I am sure it will be there. I believe the rebels will look good within the context of the story. I just don't want it to undermine the rebels of the OT either. If they make them look too good, then it will have one asking, where were these rebels during the events of the OT?

At this point I am just going to sit back and not even concern myself about all the what if's. I will just look at it as a sand alone and enjoy it for that and not worry too much about how it all connects to each other. This is what kinds of problems the MCU causes for me. Because I am always watching the films and seeing how they all fit into one another. Not really a big problem regardless.

 

We don't know how big his role would be, or WHAT his role would be. The rumors right now point to Ben Mendelsohn playing the main villain.

Jeez, fanboy knee-jerk pessimism gets so depressing at time. They know how to suck the fun out of everywhere.

 

Well at least I am able to admit I was being pessimistic on the matter. I just want a good story and not be one "hey look! there are classic X-wings, Ties, storm troopers etc." That is all I am concerned about.

 

His health has been really bad over the last couple years, even worse then Peter Mayhews. He has severe arthitis in both legs, a bad hip and has admited to memory problems though he denies he has dementia. Also with Kathleen Kennedy having and kasdan involved in these films he probably will not as they know what happened between Prowse and lucasfilm in the past.

 

Poor guy.

 

He also leaked vaders death back before rotj came out so with how tight to the vest the current big wigs are they would be wary of using him.

 

He leaked that Vader is Luke's father as well didn't he?

 

Yes he did! All the way back in 1978 lol

 

Lol, was it even decided that Vader was his father back then? I thought that came up way later