Official Legacy of the Force: Betrayal Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

So...no Chiss in these books? That'll kill alot of diehard Jag/Jaina fans. But I'm extremely happy with them bringing Zekk into his own somewhat in the series.

And maybe Luke will find a way to help Jacen redeem himself, and Jacen will go into exile? Just a thought.


And still no ones thought of what the Eta-5 Interceptor looks like. The Jedi one in ep.III was the Eta-2.
What did you guys think?

 

Lumiya must have dyed her hair, since its normally red. I hope we'll get a new picture of her soon (in one of the next few Insiders, perhaps? )

 

That is good dialogue in those sample panels, despite Ossilege's killer scene-ending liners.

 

I think that there is still a chance for Tahiri's "Last of my kind" prophecy to come true. In Conquest Anakin sees a half Vong Tahiri standing above a Jedi, about to make a killing blow. She says, "the last of your kind, the last of my kind." Maybe she's standing about Jacen, who--aside from her--is the only living Jedi Vong prisoner of war.

I do think Jacen might try to kidnap Allana... I don't think he could turn TK to the dark side, she is too devoted to her people.

I think this might be more build up for the Jacen/Jaina duel we never got in NJO.

I also think Jacen might try to commandeer Centerpoint. If it really is a matter of biometrics, Jacen should easily be able to recreate his brother with his Force powers. Finding a competent programmer to fix some of the AInakin created glitches? Maybe Lowbacca?

I think Han's hatred of Zekk might be due to the fact that Zekk was the one who suggested the "Strike Team" Myrkr mission that got Anakin killed in SBS. It makes more sense than just "man boinking my daughter." Although turning Jaina into a bughugger definitely didn't endear him to Han either. But it's my fanwank, since Han liked Zekk in YJK.

 

Thanks for the description, Jaina_SoIo .

JediSmurf :

What I think Jacen is going to do is something like this:

He goes to the Corellians and offers them the one thing they need to really become a threat. Sith, force users to counter the Jedi of the Alliance. In return, he would probably ask for the resources to train a Sith Order, and probably a location to build his Praxeum. The Location? Why none other than Centerpoint station.

 

Trust me, that's quite enough.

 

I figured it was very similar to the Eta-2. Kinda like the relationship between the T65 and the XJ6.

Insider needs to do some sort of LOTF feature before long, maybe after the first few books. Give us pretty pretty artwork and descriptions. A mini Essential Guide to Legacy of the Force.

 

Looking back at things it has been stated there will be no chiss envolvement, but it seems that individuals like Jag could make appearances further on in the series. I think Sue said something like "Be Patient," about Jag.



Poenix said,
"Insider needs to do some sort of LOTF feature before long, maybe after the first few books. Give us pretty pretty artwork and descriptions. A mini Essential Guide to Legacy of the Force."

I have been thinking the same things for months already. Didn't NJO get a lot of attention in Insider?

 

Insider, I'm not sure, but it did get attention in Gamer and even had a WOTC sourcebook made for the first half of it. Seeing as how neither of those two exist anymore, Insider would be the best medium for a LOTF feature to appear in.

 

Isn't it a little strange that Legacy was given 3 articles in a row in Insider, starting with the latest 87, and LOTF was given nothing? Legacy had an article with big nice pictures in the last Insider, and all betrayal got was a mentioned release date in the corner of one page. I am recalling talk of an article for LOTF about Vader's legacy, but that just might be for Legacy, I'm not sure.

 

Vader's Legacy was meant to be for LOTF, but IIRC, it got pushed back a few issues.

And I lied. Insider did a nice piece in issue 57. "Who's Who in the New Jedi Order" by Dan Wallace. It was a nice run-down of the Order during the NJO and even included portraits of never-before-seen Jedi. It'd be great to get one of these kinds of articles for LOTF, maybe with Abel or Dan authoring and filled in with details over the Galactic Alliance, their government, military, etc. And you can't forget the illustrations.

 

Just got through with it today.
Jacen is more cold and calculating in the book than Vader ever was... man. Anakin was all heat and desperation, Jacen is all cold and arrogance. He'll make his "sad old man" grandfather look like a kitten before this is over with....

 

First of all it wasn't said that Chiss won't show up in this series but that they won't play any major role in the series. I think Mr. Denning said that we might see few Chiss in one of the books but those will be camoes.

And as for Jag he is suppose to show up at some point. Mr. Denning said it as well as Sue Rostoni.

 

the thing that shocked me the most was that, by the beginning of the book, Jacen was already a Sith. His character didn't change at all, he wasn't forced to make a momentous decision right then and there, no immediate threat if he didn't turn. He just thought she might be right, and decided to try it out. He also happened to have a vision of killing Luke, so he killed Nelani to stop it.

It didn't seem like Jacen turned at all, just discovered what he already was.


I agree with the poster of the above comment.

Jacen was a Sith after his 5 year journey. I think that is why he was so casual about meeting Lumiya. His personality didn?t change, he just seems more willing to describe himself as a Sith, where before he would not have used that label.

Also when he meets up with Sal-Solo, and Sal-Solo says a Jedi wouldn?t hurt a man who has surrendered, to which Jacen replies: ?Perhaps Jedi don?t?but I might.? That and in DNT Jacen already said he didn?t think of himself as a Jedi. Very interesting.

And I loved the Vader quote to Testan: ?Your thoughts betray you.? (p.9)

 

Exactly. At least Anakin knew in his heart that he was wrong.

Jacen is like, "Oh, that makes sense. I think I'll try this Sith thing for a while, Lumiya."

He doesn't change, his turn isn't needed for anything. He doesn't even "turn." He was already a Sith from the start of Betrayal, he just didn't know it. I could hardly relate to him in this book, so distant and arrogant.

Jacen believes reason is beyond good and evil, but it's the other way around: good and evil are beyond reason. They just are.



And was Darth Vectivus from Naboo? Lumiya said how he loved Naboo architecture, and wanted his asteroid mansion a home away from home...

 

Im telling you its friggin Sidious pulling Lumiya's strings from beyond the grave.

 

I don't think it's sidious. That would make me puke if he showed up yet again. But I am not sure if there is someone behind Lumiya. Is there a greater evil to be revealed later, or is it just Jacen.

 

If there's someone behind Lumiya, it's Vergere.

 

But vergere was eaten in a Thanksgiving 11 years before....

 

Could be the Ghost of Thanksgiving Past...

 

Or she aked her death. If she was really a Sith, I doubt she sacrificed herself.

 

If she really was a TRUE sith than she would sacrifice herself. The true sith I am talking about is the sith way that Jacen is looking for. Hypotheicallly if someone were a true sith, who has to be sacrificed is irrelevent (even if it is themselves). I think this fact has something to do with why Jacen turned. He had some thought about Jedi choosing to do good based on how it helps them personally.

 

Well, i finished yesterday, and it was better than i imagined. i loved it, perfectly in tune with the witty, fantastic Allston style.

Jacen- his character is so much more likeable as a Sith than a the pansy jedi he was in the beginning of the NJO. It's like a new Vader, the villain you can't get enough of. i'm too excited for words about the amazing plotlines than this could spawn... and yes, he's been a Sith since Traitor, IMO. And I totally bought the Vergere story, makes a lot of since. Does anyone else think that Lumiya could end up being his pet? it's so obvious that will end up being the leader of their twosome.

Jaina- way too little of her in this. if their trying to faze out the Big 3, their doing a lousy job of it. H/L and Jacen were the main characters through the whole thing. I was disheartened that she was still with Zekk, but at least not romantically. I think Han's right, he's taking advantage of her, and one of these days she's going to realize it. Was anyone else hoping that they would let Zekk fall and burn on Corellia? I was disappointed Jaina caught him.

Mara- I really think Jacen's going to kill her.

Luke- I really think Jacen's going to kill him.

Ben- I think he'll avenge his parents and usher in the new generation. I really enjoyed his role in this story, he's not nearly as annoying as in DN. i have high hopes for him.

Han- classic, i loved him in this. the little moments between he and Leia were wonderful.

Leia- I liked her little revelation at the end about how there was a new limit on how far she would go. her development as a Jedi and mother/wife was great.


I hope they bring Jag back. not only because i'm a J/J shipper, but he's just an awesome character on his own.

what's all this exile stuff people are talking about? I think i missed that part...

 

After Vergere sacrifices herself in Destiny's Way-

He turned to her. "You did this, didn't you?"
Vergere's whiskers twitched with distaste. "It was neccessary that you be liberated from your choices."
Jacen sighed. "My choices weren't very good, were they?"
"You chose with your heart. And you achieved you object, did you not? Your sister lives." She looked at him solemnly. "And I achieved my object as well. You are free to pursue your destiny."

So she either wasn't in that A-wing (and there's no evidence to suggest she was), or she did sacrifice herself in order that Jacen would continue on the path she had set him on. Whether Chicken Little is alive or dead doesn't really matter to me since either avenue is open.

Of course, this all depends on the fact that Lumiya wasn't lying and Vergere was indeed some sort of Sith. And after rereading certain parts of the NJO, it's not a far stretch at all, judging from her phrasing and how it's mirrored in the actions that Jacen takes during LOTF.