*OFFICIAL THREAD* General Grievous in Ep3

Obi-Wan will definitely seem like the greatest Jedi of all time if he can beat this guy.


Not to mention he beats Anakin.

 

I am genuinely concerned that GL has made his one time space epic into a cash cow fanboy machine. It now suffers from the same Episodism as Star Trek and Babylon 5 - two series that I cannot STAND.

Then the time has come, my friend, for you to leave this series and never come back.

 

Well it wasn't meant to be offensive. It was just very frank. It was how I really feel about all the gushiness over yet another GL ploy for marketing in his Prequel movies. If the Mods think I am being offensive, then I will apologize to them and be dealt with accordingly. However, I am entitled to my opinion regardless, just as you fanboys are entitled to gush endlessly over characters like Grievous. I just don't understand why the focus is not on VADER and instead you are drooling over a character that looks like a Manga reject. To be honest - I was a little excited to see GG at first, but when I finally saw how over the top and ridiculous he was in Chaper 20 of the Clone cartoons - I am now very afraid for Episode 3. Maybe I am being a little too hasty in judging GG just yet, but I legitamatly fear for the franchise as a whole. I think it has crossed a point of no return and it is borderline goofy now. And please don't tell me that was the intention by GL from the get go to be planned as "campy". It wasn't.

Joel Schummacher ruined the Batman franchise and GL is dangerously close with his.

 

Cheeky... we have no idea how much screentime GG will have.... he could be similar to Jango in Ep2..... there was a lot of talk about him before Ep2 as well.... in the end, he wasn't the focus of the movie.... the same went for Maul.... and I bet the general won't be the focus of Ep3..... it's already been confirmed that the duel is going to be an epic one.... we know Vader will show up.... why ignore these facts and focus on characater that will likely turn out to be a B story in the movie?

 

Your getting upset over a cartoon thats basically EU?! Its been officially confirmed that Anakin is the deadliest character in Episode 3 as I have said before and as we all know Anakin is Vader so take the quote positivly. GG wont steal Vaders thunder. Hes a one movie villain whos going to be and is meant to be cooler then all the other one movie villains in Star Wars. Thats why GG is cool and he will likly have MORE Screen time then them and be more intrigal to Episode 3 but Vaders iconic and just under Palpatine in his evillness given all hes behind.

 

Amen to Joel Schumacher destroying the Batman series. Let's hope Chris Nolan and Christian Bale can resurrect it. Batman deserved a better death than Batman and Robin. (The worst film ever made, IMO.)

 

Did he force push Shak-Ti?

You know What MAn_O_Wan , I just re-watched last night episode on CartoonNetwork.com and you know what...I think he did.

Curious, to say the least.

 

Good point Randy & Ogilbyb.

I guess after seeing GG in action last night I was a little put off and made a snap judgement. I really do hope that the main focus will FINALLY be on Vader and his transformation (we've been waiting years for this!) and that GG won't steal his long awaited thunder.

...and Lord NoOne - I am also pumped to see the newest Batman movie!! It sounds pretty tight. Hopefully it will be very dark and bring us back to the days of Tim Burton (sigh - one can only dream...)

 

ugh...matrix...so much potential, so little of it used...

I must say I loved GG in the cartoon, he was badass, and I don't question that the Jedi could just force push him or whatever, cause to me, star wars is just pure fun, it doesn't have to make sense...

But BTW, was that Ki Adi he battled at the end of that episode, and what was the outcome of the battle? cause it looked like Ki Adi (if it was him) got killed, but we know that he is indeed in episode 3...

 

There's no doubt that General Grievous is unnecessary. I'm sure that to a certain extent, he is something of a marketing ploy.

But he is so cool, I can forgive Lucas. Up until I watched that episode of the Clone Wars, I wasn't really sure about him. But now I am definitely a fan. His voice has a classic Transformers/Dungeons & Dragons/He-Man villainous tone to it. His "Swiss army knife" manouevres echo Cain in Robocop 2. His lightsabre skills are exceptional, and he is also strangely creepy

 

I would also like to say that Palpatine was the only villain meant to not be disposible in the PT. Otherwise it would get boring. Thats why theres Maul, Jango and GG. Again GG steal Vaders thunder? rediculous. Lets look at what the spoilers show.
GG
Pummels Obi Wan
Kills Shaak Ti
Leads Droid army

Anakin/Vader
kills Dooku
kills Seperatist Leaders
Wipes out Jedi Temple
Leads Jedi Purge

does not compare at all. Now the OS shows GG will be definitive but its amazing people will think GG will top Vader.

 

Personally, as I have said before, I think GG is a wonderful character for this type of film.

To address the issue of GG against a force user, recall that the Jedi need to CONCENTRATE to use the force against an opponent effectively. If they don't have time to concentrate, their force power is diminished. Of course, those who are stronger (Yoda, Mace for example) don't need as much concentration, but the average Jedi does. Grievous, being mechanical, can be extremely agile and quick, which will make up for not being able to do so naturally. His quickness allows him to distract Jedi from using the force, and the cartoon illustrates that point.

Also, his joints being more maneuverable -- allowing him to wield more than two lightsabers, or spinning his wrists in a pinwheel motion -- make him more adept at taking Jedi out.

Third, he is a master strategist. Therefore, he would know which battles he can win by himself and those he could not. And, he's not perfect. He destroyed the Padawans in Chapter #20, but not the masters. They actually survive.

Finally, regardless how strong a warrior is, if they don't practice their skills in real situations, their skills will diminish. Yoda, in EP II, said that the Jedi were becoming overconfident and flawed. This allows them to be defeated now, where someone like GG would probably not rule the day 1,000 years before when they were constantly battling the Sith.

 

Cheeky has a point. From the rumors we have heard thus far, it appears Grevious has more screen time than Vader. I could be wrong about that, and I hope I am. After watching the OT, I don't rememer anyone talking about GG. Vader was the focal point, and E3 should remind us of that.

 

After watching the OT, I don't rememer anyone talking about GG. Vader was the focal point, and E3 should remind us of that.

Nor do they talk about Darth Maul, Dooku, Mace Windu, or any other Jedi by name or any number of PT characters in the OTs.

Even in the OTs, For that matter, they don't talk about YODA in episode 4 or any other Jedi being alive but,lo and behold....a Jedi master in ESB.

Nor do they give Boba Fett name in ESB but only in ROTJ.

Vader is the FOCAL POINT in EP3 (as well as the PTs as a whole)....only he's called ANAKIN SKYWALKER. And certainly Anakin will have more screen time than GG.

 

I have a question for people who are ANTI-GG. Is the dislike of GG solely because he is a competition for Vader in their minds? That is, are they scared that GG will steal Vader's thunder in the casual fan's mind? For example, if the new bad guy was a Tarkin-type villain who was high-up politically, would they breath easier?

Or is the thought of any other villain (again a Vader rival for screentime) galling?

Or is it the looks of GG in particular?

For the record, I think GG will provide the "fun"/adventure moments of E3, moments for which all SW is famous. AnaVader is NOT going to provide any "light" moments, I am sure!

 

After watching that cartoon last night i'm a believer. It never bothered me about competition with Vader it was just like a i hope this isn't cheesy type deal!

 

Well, the only reason I dislike GG is that they make the Jedi look even lamer than they already do.

 

Glad you find it funny Muel. Grievous looks like a GO-BOT, but you probably wouldn't know what those are because you are probably too young and you grew up in the new hip-hop, ADD, TRL MTV generation. You probably HATED the classic SW films and wish they could have added Pokemon Characters in the PT. You have no idea what constitutes a good film. Your idea of a good movie is probably "Euro Trip". I don't even know why I am arguing with you - it's pointless. Once a Fanboy - always a fanboy.

Nor is arguing with you. That's why I like all these over-the-top statements. Please do put effort in them !

 

Did he force push Shak-Ti?

You know What MAn_O_Wan , I just re-watched last night episode on CartoonNetwork.com and you know what...I think he did.


Hmmm...I noticed the same thing when I re-watched it.

 

I dislike GG is that they make the Jedi look even lamer than they already do.

But if it was ANAVADER killing Jedi, it would NOT make then look lame? And quite a few Jedi die die on Geonosis. So, it still boils down to GG being able to do what some people thought ONLY AnaVader should be able to.

 

I don't think it was a force push. He swings his lightsaber at Shaak Ti's head and I thought she made a sort of "Force barrier" between the blade. She flew backward because of the force of the swing, not the "Force". That's how I saw it.

OR

Ki Adi saw she was about to get jacked and he force pushed her out of the way just in the nick of time.

 

i really didn't like him in the cartoon last night. i thought the twirling sabers was completely stupid and him standing there with one foot in the air holding a lightsaber...i seriously started laughing. how he was on one leg, bobbing up and down, i found that the farthest thing from menacing ive ever seen. hopefully he's much better in the movie

 

Yep, in fact GG looked more like a praying mantis, or like that kid in Karate Kid II practising that crane kick thingy...

 

I for one am very excited to see the "real" Grievous in action after seeing his Clone Wars debut. The character is very imaginative and scary/cool, which would be a fresh new element in the prequel series. I can't imagine why anyone would be anti-GG (as an aside: I do not believe GG "Force pushed" Shaak Ti in Chapter 20 - I appears to me Shaak somehow bounced herself off the lightsaber strike, or Force-pushed/deflected herself. GG's saber clearly strikes the open space in front of her palms, and there is no indication he did anything more than that. I suspect it is similar to Vader's blaster-deflection move.).

Furthermore, I'm not really worried about GG overshadowing Vader in the film - from the spoiler plot outlines I've read, he only appears in about 3 places - and two of those sound fairly brief (since this is the spoiler forum, I'll elaborate: he has his introduction and briefly battles Obi-Wan, but retreats... and that scene will likely focus more on Palpatine, Anakin and Dooku. The second appearance is him fleeing Obi-Wan in his vehicle - not exactly a Vader-killing moment. You're left with his duel with Obi, which might be striking but obviously can't be as long as "The Duel"). Meanwhile, Anakin is doing Vaderish things through the movie. Brutally killing Dooku? Windu? Leading an assault on the Temple? KILLING HIS WIFE? No... I think Anakin/Vader's evil will be well-represented in the film, and will outweigh the 15 minutes or so GG gets.

 

But if it was ANAVADER killing Jedi, it would NOT make then look lame? And quite a few Jedi die die on Geonosis. So, it still boils down to GG being able to do what some people thought ONLY AnaVader should be able to.

But that's precisely the point! The Jedi already look lame by being defeated so easily on Geonosis (when all it takes is a few Force pushes to dispatch those battle droids) because they INSIST on using their lightsabers instead of the Force, even when lightsabers are obviously not effective. And against GG, they make the same mistake yet again. Imagine if the 4 Jedi in last night's cartoon were to put away their sabers and just concentrate on using the Force against GG. Man, he (GG) would become minced meat in a few seconds!