*OFFICIAL THREAD* General Grievous in Ep3

Forever Jedi, you bring up some interestingly good points.

For the record, speaking for myself - I would say yes, it is a little bit of insecure jealously which fuels my dislike for GG. First off, I really am not in love with his overall look. He looks like a throwaway from the Transformers Cartoons to me.
Secondly if the new bad guy WERE a political higher up, I think I would breathe a bit easier. I just want the unveiling of Vader to be so monumentous and one-of-a kind and have no shadow of a doubt, that he is a symbol of technology moving FORWARD, not backward ( to me GG seems more ADVANCED, technologicaly than Vader - this is another reason I do not like GG so much anymore.)

 

But that's precisely the point! The Jedi already look lame by being defeated so easily on Geonosis (when all it takes is a few Force pushes to dispatch those battle droids) because they INSIST on using their lightsabers instead of the Force, even when lightsabers are obviously not effective. And against GG, they make the same mistake yet again. Imagine if the 4 Jedi in last night's cartoon were to put away their sabers and just concentrate on using the Force against GG. Man, he (GG) would become minced meat in a few seconds!

I think you're having "suspension of disbelief issues". If some random thug on Jabba's sail barge can manage to bullseye a shot on Luke's hand in ROTJ, what makes you think a giant, bizarre, fast-moving cyborg would be no threat at all to a Jedi?

 

I will buy everything anyone says on this board about the Jedi being invincible when they can explain just how the force works, and demonstrate the physics of it to me. We're having a heated debate over something which doesn't really exist here. Regardless of our feelings on the matter, General Grievous slashes a few Jedi out in Clone Wars and probably in Episode Three too.

 

Hey Ovaltine...Ohhh chocolatey one !


I didn't say the CGI in the entire movie was bad, I just said that the monsters and their interaction in the arena scene was poor. Just look at whenever One of the live characters jumps onto a CGI monster or when Padme jumps onto the animal pulling the cart...it looks horribly unreal. The model approach in the OT at least had a more realistic look to it when there was interaction with live characters. That was my only point.

Oh and yes, the rancor for the most part was pretty good, especially when he picks up and eats that Gamorrean guard.


And I hope Greivous doesn't look like the CGI in the arena scene. Especially if he has any significant screen time.

 

And I hope Greivous doesn't look like the CGI in the arena scene. Especially if he has any significant screen time.

I know what you mean. Fortunately, GG is metal - and ILM seems to be able to make non-organic characters (like battledroids) look pretty good. That's why my concern is his cape - especially standing next to characters like Dooku and Obi, I worry his cloak will be the give-away that he is CG... though I did read on the OS that they have come up with a new way to render cloth that makes it look less smooth/silky than it has before... that might help.

I also hope they do the eyes effectively. In AOTC, there was one scene where I was really struck by the subtle effectiveness of a CG character's eyes... when Anakin and Padme go to meet Watto, his eyes move in a really impressive, subtle, organic way... I hope they integrate that level of care.

But overall, my biggest gripe about the arena scene is that, to me, something just wasn't convincing about the background. I knew I was looking at actors in front of a greenscreen - something about the lighting (too low for outdoors?) or the background just didn't sell me on it.

 

Hey I just stumbled across this in the OS Pabawan Q&A drop box, Not too shure if you all knew.

Q. Grievous seems to be a very intriguing character. Since he's partially alien, is there any chance we'll see him without the mask and the face exposed?

A. Yes.


Makes you think huh?

 

Seeing GG without the mask is old spoiler info... remember, it is rumored that during his duel with Obi-Wan he loses his faceplate (slashed off? That would be sweet, but I digress...), revealing that his organic parts consist of only his eyes and brain. I guess his brain is in something semi-transparent (how else woudl we see it).

 

I think you're having "suspension of disbelief issues". If some random thug on Jabba's sail barge can manage to bullseye a shot on Luke's hand in ROTJ, what makes you think a giant, bizarre, fast-moving cyborg would be no threat at all to a Jedi?

I'm not saying GG is no threat at all to the Jedi. Sure, he is a formidable adversary, but it just looks so lame when you obviously have another more effective weapon in your arsenal to use against GG (i.e. the Force) but you don't use it for some inexplicable reason.

 

Thanks for the support Vrokolus.

Thats a good call on both your comments about the arena scene, and your concern about the cape on Greivous.

 

"Let's add a new useless bad 'villian' in every episode and then after only 3.7 minutes of screentime and maybe one line of dialouge - we'll kill him off!!" Yeah - great idea.

Which fanboys requested this? Does this mean your not a fanboy? Then why bother posting then?

 

Maybe Grievous is a ysalamiri...

 

I don't know... I'm starting to have second thoughts about Grievous after seeing Episode 20. I really don't want him to upstage Vader...

Then again, I haven't read the script for Episode III nor have I seen any CG video featuring the General.

Although he was an excellent adversary in the cartoon, I wonder how he will be received by the audience. Will they say, "Well, HE was unnecessary." Or will they say, "If they think they can tempt me into liking Episode III because of this cool new bad guy, they were wrong!" Or will they love Grievous and think he was an excellent villain?

I guess it's all about his screen time and portrayel that are really important.

We'll see. But until then, I'm on the fence.

 

I wonder if GG's mask gets knocked off during the battle with Obi-Wan or if Obi-Wan removes it after he wins, to see WTF that thing was.

 

I cant imagine GG upstaging Vader/Anakin. Lucas has made it clear that this is the story of Anakin Skywalker. I think GG will just be another Dooku, perhaps just a little cooler visually.

It's all about Anakin/Vader !

 

Good point, Nomis. I never really thought about it like that. I would like to see more Vader, though.

 

I started a thread, seems it wasn't popular, it got locked.

Here is my point :


I just figured out why GG was in EPISODE III.

I have read TONS of threads on Grievous yet, people thinks he's cool or a very bad idea.


First, he is no center of EPISODE III.
Just a toy seller, a teaser for EPISODE III from Clone Wars Animated.

The only reason why GG is in EPISODE III is :

To drag Obi Wan away from Anakin!

All Palpatine plan.

If Anakin stays with his master in EPISODE III, no way he is to become Palpatine's pupil.

 

Well said, Lord Vader...

GG is but a plot device to keep Obi-Wan away from Anakin while Palpy turns him to the Dark Side.

 

If not, why send Obi Wan to track GG ?

Instead of Mace or even Yoda.

If GG is sooo invincible.

 

Cheeky has a point. From the rumors we have heard thus far, it appears Grevious has more screen time than Vader. I could be wrong about that, and I hope I am. After watching the OT, I don't rememer anyone talking about GG. Vader was the focal point, and E3 should remind us of that.


Really?
Well it's not GG fault.
Watto has more screen time PT wise than Vader- lets get real here.

Anakin has more screen time than Vader too, if you mean Vader as in "Vader only after the suit is on" .
There is a plan here in place by G.L. some hate it some love it, I myself am trying to make the best of it and enjoy it.

G.L. decided to not give us the suited PT Vader that we had dreamed we might see by Episode 3, he started the whole PT very early with Anakin instead of picking up with him in his teenage years, it just wasn't written for showing alot of suited Vader.
G.L. decided to literally show what made Anakin turn into Vader and then BOOM, THE END roll credits, I've cried about this too, but I'm trying to be happy with the bone he threw us.

As poeple have said around here before in light of this fact:
If you want to see a cool movie with a suited Vader fighting...you can, they're called the OT!

Life is what we make of it, so lets make the best with the life G.L. has granted our Starwars fandom, as that crackinated diva Whitney Houston once sang:
"It aint right, but it's o.k....."


"It's the journey, not the destination" a philosophy that G.L. has taken with the direction he steered this all in, the journey is what the PT was all about, the destination is the last 15 minutes or so and then the OT.

Algebra:
Anakin(a)+Journey+(b)=(c)PT
Vader(x)+Bridge between the two+(y) = (z)OT

DC

 

Judging from the commentary on Chapter 20, we can't rely too much on the cartoon's depiction of Grievous. It sounds like they had very little to go on. So I have doubts that we'll see him wielding sabers with his feet and doing so much leaping and tumbling (any more than the Jedis' actions in the cartoon will match the movie).

I bet the average audience member will enjoy GG. He'll look quite cool in the trailers and probably have people wondering who or what he is, wanting to see more. And from the sound of it he'll see at least as much action as Jango Fett did, which should be plenty, given everything else that will happen in the film.

I've come to appreciate GG's place in Vader lore. We know how powerful the Force is. Now we'll see how powerful technology can be. And Vader is a synthesis of the two. Truly a monstrous power. (And finally we can put to rest this nonsense about Vader being weaker because of his machine body!)

 

Vrolokus wrote: Furthermore, I'm not really worried about GG overshadowing Vader in the film - from the spoiler plot outlines I've read, he only appears in about 3 places - and two of those sound fairly brief (since this is the spoiler forum, I'll elaborate: he has his introduction and briefly battles Obi-Wan, but retreats... and that scene will likely focus more on Palpatine, Anakin and Dooku. The second appearance is him fleeing Obi-Wan in his vehicle - not exactly a Vader-killing moment. You're left with his duel with Obi, which might be striking but obviously can't be as long as "The Duel"). Meanwhile, Anakin is doing Vaderish things through the movie. Brutally killing Dooku? Windu? Leading an assault on the Temple? KILLING HIS WIFE? No... I think Anakin/Vader's evil will be well-represented in the film, and will outweigh the 15 minutes or so GG gets.

Very well put. And IMO, part of the problem with perhaps a few anti-GG people. They had a preconceived idea that Vader in E3 should do what Grievous is doing. Hate the Jedi and kill them with cool moves. He would remain a "heroic" character who doesn't harm pregnant wives or innocent children. He hates the Jedi with single-minded devotion and defeats them nobly in the battlefield.

But now we realize that GL (bless his soul) had a different story in mind. This strange, cool Jedi-killing machine, of whom we don't know much about, simply kills Jedi in battlefield. Whereas Anakin, someone we've known since he was nine years old, is doing things like harming his wife, killing Jedi children, killing Mace in a senate office. Ultimately, who is the "badder", "more evil"? Who will give us more horrible nightmares? Who will strike more fear into our souls? For me, AnaVader. He is the good person we knew who turned mercilessly evil, without any "noble" reason for his turning.

 

After watching Clone Wars 20 I Became Convinced that Grevious is Sifo-Dyas Back from the Dead (O.K. I'm sure that's not a new theory but I now Support it).

Sifo/Grevious Was Killed... Or Injured so Horribly that he "Had" to have been killed 10 years before AOTC. Siddious "Raised him from the Dead" with a combination of Cybernetics and Sith Power... Something he will demonstrate again with Anakin.

Grevious Retains the Knowledge and the training of the Jedi, if not their midichlorians/affinity for the force. That is why he can wield a lightsaber (or three).

Ge was not programed to do this, it was his dead memories.

The guy is Robocop.

 

I like the idea of Grievous being what's left of Sifo-dyas, but it's probably a longshot.

The knowing glance Yoda and Windu give each other when Obi tells them that Master Sifo-dyas made the order for the clones is interesting, and I hope they explain that. They act like they are hiding something, and never answer Obi's question directly (Obi asks something like "I thought Master Sifo' was killed", Mace and Yoda look at each other like "crap", and then Windu says "Whoever ordered those clones was not a Jedi" or something... which is a slippery answer on Windu's part, since Obi asked if Sifo' was killed). If Sifo and Grievous were related, then that whole thing makes sense... if Sifo is simply Palpatine, though... then that look doesn't mean as much.

 

I always thought the glance was just that..."how in the hell did this happen? Who is using his name?"

-RLR

 

***Grevious Retains the Knowledge and the training of the Jedi, if not their midichlorians/affinity for the force. That is why he can wield a lightsaber (or three). ****


I really dont think so. Its a droid/non-humanoid mix...but then again, we dont know what this Sif0-Dyas was...but i disagree that anything he did couldnt be just a kick-ass droid.