Okay, so what does 'human-cyborg relations' mean?

First get my name right, it's Nordom. Second the possibility that Lucas gots his terms mixed IS a possible explanation. Third, I am not dismissing Lucas, many writers of Sci-Fi sometimes gets the terms wrong but that does not diminish them in any way to me. B5, one of my favorite TV-shows have goofs or incorrect terms, but I still like it. And this very little thing does not affect ANH or my view of Lucas at all.

You need to relax my friend, on can offer thoughts about SW WITHOUT having some Lucas bashing agenda.

Take the latest version of ANH, in it Luke's lightsaber is green in one instance and blue the rest of the time. Now one could come up with some crazy in-universe idea as to why this is or one could admit that it was an visual goof.

Parsec is used only once and to give the impression of time, which it is not. Droid is used all the time and it's use is consistent in meaning all kind of robots. So the word droid is given a meaning within the SW universe and that is no problem. If parsec had been defined as a unit of time in the SW universe then that too would have been no problem. I still have no problem with it, it is a very minor thing.

The word "Force" have loads of meanings in our world, in physics, in the military, to coerce someone etc.
In the SW universe it is given a different meaning and that is used consistently so again no problem.

Any writer, esp a Sci-Fi writer, can make up new terms or invent new meanings to existing terms but they need to explain it in some way.
Take the word Jedi, that is pretty much invented for SW. But as soon as the word is used, we get an explanation of what it means. Same thing with the Force, we hear about it and then get a quick explanation.

I do not worry and I doubt the others in this thread worries about it. They are just curious and are having a friendly debate, no harm done. As to why, as you say we have been told what C3PO is but then he gives a different term for himself. Hence the confusion. Is cyborg just another word for droid? If yes then why have two terms for the same thing? If no then what does it mean? We know what a cyborg is and we have examples of them in SW, Vader, Lobot, Grievios and others. So does C3PO translate between them and humans?
Hardly seems worth the bother as several of them speak basic/english. So what then?
I simply gave my view which is that Lucas might have used the term without thinking it through.

Ex in the animated LOTR made in the 70's, they decided that Saruman sounded too similar to Sauron so they called him Aruman instead, just avoid confusion. The trouble is that they only call him Aruman some of the time, the other time he is still called Saruman. So the same character have two different names used at various time, this make it even more confusing.

So you wonder why some of us are having a discussion about the minute details of SW? Did you read the name of the website you are on?

Regards
Nordom

 

I always understood "cyborg relations" to mean that the majority of his components are identical or close to those of a cyborg. For example, an individual with an older or less sophisticated cybernetic arm then Anakin or Luke might have one very similar to C-3PO's. He clarifies by saying "human-cyborg" in order to distinguish his cybernetic components from those of Grevious and other non-human cyborgs.

 

It means the same as it does in Nutty Professor.

 

Your above paragraphs are pretty much the same thing you said earlier except now you're trying to turn things around on me by playing the good guy. Well, that's all nice and I hope it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. But I think that you never understood that the character See Threepio is a metaphor for a person and since you never acknowledged my explanation as to the purpose of "I'm See Threepio-Cyborg Relations," then it's obvious you may still not understand that.

C-3PO is a metaphor for a person. C-3PO possesses an inflated sense of self worth just like some people and it's C-3PO's inflated sense of self worth that compells him to introduce himself as "See Threepio, Human Cyborg relations," and to Lucas it nevered mattered one bit what the title Human-Cyborg meant because he was only interested in the metaphor. The sci-fi aspects of the story did not matter to Lucas because he was creating a myth and metaphors. Which a myth and a metaphor are usually the same thing.

Hmm, Well I guess I'm sorry because I thought I was in the following forum:

 

Nice try.
You were the one who came in here and started telling us to stop talking about this and said that we were bashing Lucas and in general could not understand why we were having this discussion. So you were the one that tried to stop the discussion not me.

Again leave out the personal attacks, they bore me.

If Lucas did not care about Human-cyborg meant and just used the term just to make C3PO sound pretentious then he can hardly blame us for wondering what it means. If a person is established as having the name Arn Andersson but sometimes introduces himself as Horace Widmore the III then people might wonder why. C3PO is established as being a droid and he even calls himself one. But on occasion he uses another term "Human-Cyborg relations".
Some people are just curious as to why and what it means.
Human and relations are clear enough but cyborg? Is it just a fancy term for a droid? Possibly. Does it mean something else? Again possibly. If it is droid then does C3PO only ever translate beteen humans and droids? No. So what then? Does cyborg mean non-human? Again possibly. Coud it be a misstake by Lucas? Also a possibility.

If it means nothing then C3PO is just talking nonsense, which is a slightly odd trait in a robot. And it does not really fit with C3PO who likes to be exact.

As for SW being myth and metaphor, even so you still can not do anything you want, else you risk confusing the audience. If it just a myth and Lucas had C3PO call himself "Banana-Orange relations" don't you think people might be confused? It is a myth so anything goes right?

No, when writing myth you still need a strong base that people can relate to.
Take Tolkien, he was very much writing a myth for England with LotR. Much of what he wrote was based on linguistics. And Tolkien was quite the expert on that so he knew his stuff.

Really, you need to relax, this is not a "lets bash Lucas" thread. Some people are simply curious as to why this different term is used. Nothing more, nothing less.

Regards
Nordom

 

Who making a personal attack. It's just a fact you're a basher. See, I'm sorry but the fact that you are a basher must be put into the equation when conversing with you because the fact that you are a basher shows that you focus on the negative when it comes to Star Wars. So don't be offended when I call you out on being a basher.

I actually admire a person who stands by their beliefs even if I don't share them. Be proud of who you are.

Nordom, by getting hung up on human-cyborg relations is just another example of how you're not able to see the forests for the leaves. BTW, I purposely replaced trees with leaves.

It's just like how you go on and on about things like Sifo-Dyas. When it doesn't matter one bit what Sifo-Dyas did or what he didn't do if he did it at all. All that mattered was that Lama-Su and the other Kaminoans where under the impression that the Jedi Council ordered the clones and that the Republic had given the Jedi full authority to do so. See, since it's a myth you must appreciate that the characters are being tempted to do bad things and all your focus should be on the choice that is made during the temptation and not about how the temptation came into existance. It's like wondering how is the snake able to speak in a human language to Eve? See, it's not about a talking snake, it's about temptation. Temptation: The cornerstone of any nutritious myth.

Again, Human-Cyborg Relations is just like someone introducing themselves in an unprofessional meeting as "I'm Michael Armbrewster Ph.D.," instead of just saying, "I'm Mike, damn glad to meet you." My point is don't focus on things like the exact details of what Human-Cyborg Relations mean, but instead focus on things like the genuine love that Threepio has for Artoo. They are like brothers. But why? Why do they love each other like brothers? They're robots? Why are robots capable of love? If they're capable of love then doesn't that mean that Star Wars robots are like people. Threepio likes attention just like most people like attention and one of the ways people get attention is by bragging about themselves and Human-Cyborg Relations is some kind of advanced academic title for customs and regulations dealing with

 

That's how films are often made. It's about catering to the people who won't read the books.

You don't say.

It matters to the Jedi.

 

Arawn_Fenn, we don't see eye to eye when it comes to the virtue and morality of the PT Jedi so let's not go there.

 

Most of the arguments posted here are based on whether or not Lucas was justified in including a line that makes little sense. However, these arguments are moot considering that there exists a perfectly reasonable explanation for the meaning of the phrase, as I've already pointed out...

 

Well, the map in the Jedi Archives shows three galaxies.

And yeah, cyborgs are part organic/part mechanical, despite Terminator's use of it to describe Terminator units.

Droids, short for androids (< Gr. a?d???, 'man'), are sentient machines.

To get technical, one could argue that Artoo, the mouse droids, the probe droid, droid starfighters, and Dr. Ball aren't 'droids' in the technical sense of the term because they don't look like humans, while 3PO, IG, and B1 units are. But that's really just linguistics.

 

That is not a problem to me, droids in SW is used to describe all sorts of robots and it's use is fairly consistent. If you invent a new phrase and then use it throughout then I don't have a problem.
The slight question arises when C3PO labels himself "Human Cyborg relations" The phrase seem to mean that he is involved in Human to Cyborg relations. So what is a Cyborg in SW? A droid? Possibly but why then why not use that word? Also C3PO translates between humans and non-humans too and possibly between humans and humans. So he is not restricted to translating between humans and robots. So the word cyborg is sort of odd. Perhaps he means "HumanCyborg, relations" That is he is a human cyborg and his work is relations.

Regards
Nordom

 

I always took it to mean his work was in working and translating for humans and cyborgs.

That's all.

No biggie. It added an air of mystique to 3PO I thought.

It's like asking what Binary Load-lifters are.

Who really cares? It adds a bit of history to 3PO. We see he's done other things besides what we've seen thus far. That history helps deepen these characters.

 

LMAO...I remember that side quest now

Exactly, the R2 units werent intended for communicating with people in the same way as protocol droids, they are just practical workers...it makes perfect sense when you think about it. It also obviously gives him more personality, having different intonations in his beeps to represent anger, happyness, sarcasm etc, just a cute gimmick really.

 

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So you wonder why some of us are having a discussion about the minute details of SW? Did you read the name of the website you are on?

Regards
Nordom


That actually made me laugh out loud, so thank you. I agree with Nordom. Of course everybody is going to have a huge debate on minute details of SW. Why would you come onto this website, if not to argue minute details? The best part about being a SW fan is being able to argue about things that most people wouldn't even care about.