Amph On Earth, Everyone Can Hear You Scream: The Prometheus / Alien Discussion Thread (Romulus, Earth)

So we got some more info The Rat-x And Leon-895 are in the game like I thought among other pathogen Enemies




Over in the Comics
#5 Reveals that Alpha was just a Queen Xenomorph that came from Gabriel cruz when he was infected by a face hugger spawned from Space Goat hosts. WY just took it out of Gabriel Cruz in the last outbreak . The Goddess (Xenomorph - humanoid figure ) that Cruz keeps seeing in his Nightmares was from when he had a vision of her the first time when the Face hugger was implanting/injecting the blackgoo/chestburster biomass into Gabriel . We learn that Facehugging temporally connects u to the greater Xenomorph Hive Mind . (so that brings up a question of if Ripley saw the Goddess when she was face hugged in-between aliens and alien 3 )

The Solicitation for October's Alien #8 is



ALIEN #8 PHILLIP KENNEDY JOHNSON (W) • SALVADOR LARROCA (A) Cover by MARC ASPINALL Variant Cover by R.B. SILVA • Variant Cover by IVAN SHAVRIN
BLOOD HARVEST!
• The xenomorphs overtake the settlement.
• A last stand is made.
• A terrible truth is learned.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$3.99 © 2021 20th Century Studios.

 

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Speaking as someone that hasn't been so hot on Marvel's Alien output, I do think the page that explored this concept was pretty neat. Overall this was the best written issue of the run so far, though I still wouldn't exactly call the comic great – this was a bit of a step up narratively though, so I guess I'll call that a win. The art unfortunately remains utter garbage, however...

 

Because we put Predator stuff in here too. Like an alien with a cloaking device this came out of nowhere.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/next-predator-film-origin-story-141119010.html

They say it is going to be more like the original and also compared it to The Revenant. However no official cast list in an film that is supposedly already filming has me worried.

 

There is a Predator thread here but yah i'm not too freaked they haven't announced a cast yet cuz if they're going lone survivalists' thing it could literally be a stuntperson in Predator gear and Amber Midthunder and there's your cast.

 

Somehow that thread escaped me. Again I blame the cloaking. To turn it to the topic then I like Aliens vs Predator because cloak and stealth doesn't work on the Xenos. Without their plasma casters most predators are screwed. I wanted to cheer in the theater during AvP 1 when the "Grid" alien busted out of the net and headbited that predator.

 

I don't particularly hate the AvP movies nor do I love them either but they have their moments. The first time the Alien and Predator face-off it's pretty darn sweet. Any Lance Henrickson is a good thing (just head-canon'd he's a Peter Weyland family tree member and Pete took what was left after Charles-Bishop disappeared) I remember watching AvP and thinking "the Xenos gestated way too fast!" but then it happened even faster in Alien: Covenant so I guess I have no problem with it.

 

I was definitely cheering for the Aliens in AVP.

 

As a concept alone, I don't like AVP at all. Be it in video games, comics, whatever, I just don't really see the Alien and Predator franchises as being compatible. That the two actual movies that we got out of the concept were both pretty awful just makes it even worse.

Oh well. At least we have Scott's prequels now to wash the taste of the AVPs out of my mouth. Prometheus is a mess for sure, but an interesting one, and I just flat out love Covenant.

 

The concept of AVP definitely stretches credibility. How do you capture Aliens? Or a Queen?

 

I think the Predators are badass enough to capture a Queen (although it would take a lot of casualties) as we see in AvP it's all locked up and basically made to output eggs when it's woken up Frankenstien's monster style with a conveyor belt and everything. And I've happily head-canon'd that the Predators found a supply of black goo pathogen from the Engineers and made a batch of Xenomorphs they used in their hunting rituals in their fancy underground alien pyramid.

 

"Depressingly brutal" has always been one of the main lenses through which I've approached the Alien franchise (despite its structural issues I genuinely love Alien 3 just as much as I do Aliens, and I am incredibly attracted to the more Gothic stylings of Covenant), which is perhaps why I find myself so into Alex White's books in particular as far as EU content goes.

 

I too love the Alien 3. I think that becoming familiar with David Fincher style has helped it be to critically appraise in a more positive light in recent years. He was something of unknown quantity in 1992 and audience expectation after the classic James Cameron entry was for Aliens Part 2, with even more aliens, even more soldiers and even more guns.

I like that Fincher strip back the story to very bleak, nihilistic and gothic film and despite his later rejection of his film, I think that Assembly Cut in particular is excellent. It just suffer from some low quality special effects, but the rest of it is great.

The only part I do not like is when "85" attack the Bishop at the end, because it is out of character for him. He has spend all the film wanting to get home to his family, and then he do something out of nowhere that ends up with he being shot dead. It didn't make sense.

 

85's sacrifice is the perfect ending to his arc, in my opinion. Ripley and everyone else keep egging him on for being a coward with blind faith in Weyland-Yutani for the entire duration of the film, but he refuses to belive them (out of his own cowardice and sense of self-preservation). He doesn't think they are going to use the Alien as a weapon, he thinks they will save everyone here – and when the representatives from WY show up and prove themselves to be exactly what Ripley said they would be, he realizes that he can't let them get away with what they're doing and he sacrifices everything to try to stop them.

Like so much else in the film, it is incredibly tragic. I don't see it as out of character, but rather, an embodiment of the way the character grows and changes once his worldview is shattered.

 

That is fair analysis. In fact, it does fit with him because if he thinks the company will take the alien back to Earth, then that put his family in danger. Yes, I think I can see it differently now following your appraisal.

 

I've tried to like Alien 3, I really have. But it makes Alien look like a romantic comedy. Soul crushing theater experience.

 

It is unrelentingly bleak, but that is what I appreciate about it in later years.

 

Ripley spends the entire Aliens film saving those 2 and they are dead before the opening credits are done. Yikes. I'm a big fan of the first two films.

 

Well, at least Jonesy got to lead a full life.

 

Alien is a series where each filmmaker is very distinctly making their own film within the confines of the "franchise." 1970s Ridley Scott is not James Cameron is not David Fincher is not Jean-Pierre Jeunet is not 2010s Ridley Scott.

As such, given how much each filmmaker really took control and drove their own individual installment(s) narratively and stylistically, I don't really get hung up on shifting perspectives behind the scenes between films – things like Newt and Hicks being unceremoniously offed between Aliens and Alien 3 in service of Alien 3's own story and tone, for example. Or Resurrection undercutting Ripley's sacrifice in the third film in its twisted, comic booky contortion of Ripely and her new relationship with the Alien. Or Covenant totally retconning what is known of the Alien's origins in service of David's arc, stemming from his own twisted sensibilities, which end up thematically resonating with the overall series' larger themes involving the bastardization of human sexuality/reproduction via the titular "Perfect Organism."

 

It's a situation where I might not agree with the decision I can see why TPTB went that route. 'They' wanted Ripley to again be the lone outsider who no one believes until the body count starts racking up. It seems to me that you could still have a compelling Alien3 with Hicks and Newt alive in Fury 161, imagine they would have to keep Newt away from the inmates. Hicks gets into a fight ect.

Have you read all the alternate Alien3 ideas before arriving at the one we got? Almost all of them don't even have Ripley because it didn't seem like Weaver would come back for another movie.

Honestly to me the best sequel to Aliens so far is the Earth Hive/Nightmare Asylum/ Earth War comics from Darkhorse (using head cannon for the Space Jockey differences)

Edit- And I actually like Alien3, it's just that studio got too hands-on and ruined a lot of it.

 

I really don't like the Earth Hive/Nightmare Asylum/Female War stuff myself. Making the Aliens part of some naturally occurring ecosystem robbed them of a lot of their horror and thematic resonance, and I didn't care for the utilization of any of the established characters in that stuff.

Resurrection feels like a better version of Nightmare Asylum (despite Whedon's awful script), with Jeunet leaning hard into the comic booky 90s action tropes while still delivering a film perverse enough to bare the "Alien" name.

EDIT: Of the unmade Alien 3's I do find both of Gibson's drafts to be interesting (there is actually a novelization of his first draft coming soon; the recent comic and audio drama adaptations have been of his second draft) but my favorite iteration is actually Vincent Ward's, with the monks on the wooden "planet.' The Assembly Cut of the version of the film that we did end up getting is my favorite overall, though.