Amph On Earth, Everyone Can Hear You Scream: The Prometheus / Alien Discussion Thread (Romulus)

Would that be 20 years from the start of the decade, or from the end?

Truthfully, I think time is less a factor to familiarity. If something vanishes entirely, even for a modest time, nostalgia can build in fast for it to return.

However...if something gets over-saturated or hangs on a surprisingly long while, the pause before bringing it back can be significantly longer.

 

VH-1 really played up the 80's nostalgia with "I Love The 80's", which highlighted the key moments from the decade and generated two sequels and several spin-offs of other decades. It started in 02, which ties into the beginning of 80's nostalgia in other areas and media. I remember feeling nostalgic as a result of the first series. I was 24 at the time.

Anyway, there is no definitive rule against overlap. The 60's and 70's overlapped in the 90's and the 70's definitely overlapped the 80's in the 2000's.

 

Man Aliens vs Avengers #1 was awesome. It has Johnathan Hickman and Esad Ribic on it so definitely not some noobs. Alternate future Marvel Earth where the surviving Superheroes (down to old Carol Danvers, Hulk, Val Richard's in her mid 40s, Miles Morales who is also seemingly bonded With Venom and all living in Weyland tower). Earth is overrun rather brutally efficiently masterminded by synthetics. Val gets chestburst, Miles gets facehugged but Venom absorbs it. Symbiote beats Xenomorph.

 

The 90s were even more of a drastic shift. Compare the beginning of that decade (1990) to the middle (1995) and the end (1999). It’s like three different worlds. That’s why when people say “I have 90s nostalgia” I’m like “which 90s are you talking about?”

 

Couldn’t have said it better myself! I like your music format analogy, btw.

 

I think it is more the symbiote took over the facehugger and made it leave Miles without laying an embro

 

The new Walking Dead?

I struggle to understand how they will make a series from these monsters.

 

But if you don't have xeno's in every episode, haven't you lost the premise of the show?

I was only half kidding about the Walking Dead reference...it will have to be something along those lines, where the aliens/walkers are an ever-present element of plot and setting, but the drama will also spawn from the characters on the show.

Luckily, it's going to be a streaming show...so the whole thing might be 8 episodes, for a first season at least. That should keep the budget down while assuring alien encounters in each episode.

Also wonder what kind of "rating" this will get, and what the target demo will be.

 

I’m not sure you need the alien in each episode - there’s something to be said for a well done slow burn.

Having said that, I’m hoping it at least works with the established / implied origin of the alien which Scott set up. I imagine they’ve encountered it at some point between when David creates it and the original encounter, and maybe brought a specimen back to Earth.

 

It's supposed to be set before Prometheus (like apparently a year before so Weyland is probably already gone) and Hawley said he wasn't using the Goo origin

On the flipside, Alvaerez says he wants to continue the Covenant story
But did Álvarez feel guilty for making a new “Alien” movie when the trilogy Scott had wanted to make with the “Prometheus” films has seemingly stalled out? “I did. And originally, my first intention, which we might figure out a way to do if we get to make another after this, is to merge them,” Álvarez noted (and, truth be told, there is a surprising amount of “Prometheus” nestled within “Alien: Romulus”). “I think that’s what I want to see. I never liked the idea that something got suspended and some stories were not really finished. And I think he really wants to also find a conclusion to some of the stuff he started with ‘Prometheus’ and ‘Covenant.’ But I’m one that wants to make sure that everything builds up to one big finale.”

I don't think the show will outright contradict what happens in Prometheus but probably just not use it. But we'll probably get a Romulus and Covenant crossover sequel flick. David would be pleased

 

I’m not sure how it won’t contradict it if there’s an alien years before it’s supposedly created by David.

 

The Xeno mural in Prometheus implies that the Xeno emerging from the Pathogen (and the Deacon at the end) was around before David did his thing.

Anyway Hawley is definitely going with it was around before. "“Ridley and I have talked about this — and many, many elements of the show,” Hawley says. “For me, and for a lot of people, this ‘perfect life form’ — as it was described in the first film — is the product of millions of years of evolution that created this creature that may have existed for a million years out there in space. The idea that, on some level, it was a bioweapon created half an hour ago, that’s just inherently less useful to me."

 

Let’s be perfectly honestly here - this is a massive retcon, which essentially renders the intention of Prometheus and Alien Covenant pointless, and that’s the on purpose. Which is fine, this can be in another universe or whatever, and it should be judged on its one terms. But let’s not pretend that they fit together - the ‘mural’ in Prometheus, as far as I remember, is of the Deacon.

 

Well I can't really tell if this is specifically meant to be the Deacon but looks like the classic Xenomorph to me





Anyway it would be odd if the Engineers are making Xeno art and they didn't know what it was or had never seen it before

 

All I can really say is that looks like a fully grown Deacon to me, not the original alien (the head seems to taper to a point).

 

It all feels kind of messy to be honest. I don’t mind any of the explanations really, but they should stick with one. At the moment it feels like a way to have and eat every cake. The prequel films, as presented, seem to make it clear the goo was a bioweapon which created various creatures, and David took that to try and breed his ‘perfect organism.’ What resulted was the original alien. The idea that it’s actually a reverse engineered organism doesn’t really mesh with what we see, and it simultaneously would kind of take away the point of what David was doing (i.e. trying to do what Wayland did by creating an even better life form than himself).