Amph On Earth, Everyone Can Hear You Scream: The Prometheus / Alien Discussion Thread (Romulus)

That woukd have worked well. To have the Engineers testing thevirus on the crew and they create the Xenomorph. This woukd have fit with the OR Alien better, explaining why there are so many eggs and the dead Engineer.

 

This will interest you both, in early 2000s there was a proposed Alien prequel written by Scott and Cameron to be directed by Scott with various titles. It really is Prometheus and Covenant in one movie and took place on LV-426. Fox decided to go with AvP1 instead.....

It has one thing I've always wanted to see- a xeno birthed from a Space Jockey (called an Ultramorph in this non-movie)

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Alien:_Engineers

Edit: that link goes to an early version of Prometheus from 2011. Been searching for the page on the Scott/Cameron cancelled film but my tablet isn't cooperating

 

Or the guy from Blade Runner 2049. Agreed; he's an amazing director. I've liked all of his films. Denis Villenueve.

 

Makes me wonder if the Ultramorph was the Queen?

 

The one thing that always gets me about Prometheus and Covenant being a film buff is the top notch immaculate production design.

 

Same here, they are in incredible filmaking, cinematography, music, and acting.

 

It got killed in the end not long after being born so we will never know. Logical conclusion though imo is it would grow and change into a queen eventually. If I could time travel I'd make the Fox executives to go with the Scott/Cameron prequel instead of AvP.

 

Wasn’t technically the alien at the end of the Prometheus an Ultramorph? It came out of an Engineer.

 

You are technically right ("the best kind of right" lol) but I think Ultramorph refers to born from facehugger on Engenier. The Deacon is implanted by the Trilobite monster.

The late 90's now non-cannon comic Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels has an evil android plant an egg next to a Space Jockey still alive in stasis. The Alien born looks mostly like a normal Xeno but is like bleeping 30 some feet tall and kills everything in its path. The concept art for Origin it's tall as heck but has black eyes and paler skin.

 

Its a shame that we didn’t gwt to see The Deacon/ Ultramorph more in Covenant. It would have worked better if after going to the Engineer homeworld, Shaw takes control of the Alien Ship that David has used to kill the Engineers and crashes it back on the LV-223. There she tries to survive and avoid the Ultramorph, and David who wants her as a host for his experiments. Then you have the Covenant crew land there.

 

Bottom line it's a horror movie albeit a very good we'll made horror movie with a lot of practical effects but being that it's a homage to old horror films people in the film have to do stupid things so bad things happen to them.

 

Well said. It would be refreshing to have highly smart peopke encounter the Xenomorphs to see how they’d respond for a change.

 

I can't agree with this. Either make a trashy slasher movie with bowling-pins-on-two-legs or a make a real horror film with characters who act like sensible-but-flawed human beings. One or the other. Ridley Scott and his screenwriters failed in this: on one hand, they present the viewer with all manner of provocative Biblical/Greek/existential themes only to have their astronauts breathe foreign air or schtup in a sleazy shower scene. The result is as incongruous as Jason Vorhees taking his mask off at the end of one of his misadventures to quote the "Tears in Rain" monologue from Blade Runner.

 

Oh #$#& Bishop!



Already added to my pull list

 

I'm not big on Salvador Larocca's art (too much tracing of very obvious references) but it is interesting seeing some very Prometheus-inspired concepts in that trailer. I'll probably check the comic out, see how it is. I spy some Hammerpedes and.... whatever this is:



A human mutated by the pathogen in some odd new way, perhaps?

It seems to be inspired a bit by this piece of H.R. Giger artwork:



Which in turn seems to have been a reference on Shaw, post-David's experimentation, in Alien: Covenant:



Speaking of Alien expanded universe content, the novel Alien: Into Charybdis came out a few days ago. That's the new book from Alex White, author of the excellent Alien: The Cold Forge. I'm only a few chapters in so far but really into it.

 

A bit of Aliens related fun for you.

This is what is on my shelf at home (I have all the Aliens NECA figures)



And I was bored one time so made a full size Xeno, just for fun

 

Cool stuff there!

I don't own any of Neca's releases.... but I do have a fair amount of the silly old Kenner stuff from the 90s.

 

I wondered if the Xenomorph would ever reach a humanoid metamorphosis where it could speak and reason.

However, reminds me Species.

 

Sil from Species is actually another design by H.R. Giger, so that comparison is pretty apt here.

 

I did not know that! You learn something new every day.

Giger sure gave a face to our nightmares. Almost all monster aliens are copies of his designs.

 

FYI "Aliens! Send in the Marines!" has been stuck in my head for decades. Gotta love kids toy ads for R-rated horror movies



Link says there was supposed to be an animated series which got canned so they just put the toys out. Maybe that's where Bull Alien came from. Shades of the dog-alien from Alien 3!

 

Has anyone read the Alien/ Aliens novels?

 

A handful. Alex White's Alien: The Cold Forge is easily the best one, and a wonderful science-fiction read in general. Aliens: Phalanx, by Scott Sigler, is also pretty cool but definitely wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea.

I'm reading Alex White's brand new one, Alien: Into Charybdis, as we speak (it just released this week!) and though I'm not very far in at the moment, so far it seems to be living up to the high bar that The Cold Forge has set.

 

Do the novels ever expand upon Prometheus and Covenant?

 

The Cold Forge does in a sense. I don't want to spoil the specifics but - let's just say that Alex White had an incredibly interesting idea on how to integrate the pathogen from the prequels into the original Alien lifecycle in order to give some further context on how it all works (and, at the same time, use this new revelation in a very neat way to propel the plot of this specific story).

There's also a novel titled Alien: Covenant - Origins which was written by Alan Dean Foster and is set before Alien: Covenant. I haven't read it myself, and the things I've heard about it haven't been particularly great.