Planet Taris completely destroyed, or only the surface destroyed?

Echani tae-jitsu," I think it was. This ought to please Excellence to no end -- he's gonna be insufferable for days.

I didn't get it at first. Just because I commiserated with my Echani brethren on Manaan. Then realisation hit. Modesty prevailed next. But in the end I just couldn't help it.

Echani: the true warriors of the jungle, who for them the fight with you isn't over even as your body lies fallen.

 

This should answer the thread question.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/canderousordo/

Oh no! They utterly razed Taris.

 

Raze means - "To level to the ground" - so that implies it's only the surface that went.

 

"utterly razed Taris"

It doesn't say, "utterly". There is nothing keeping it from only being "partially razed".

Also with a planet wide city what is considered ground, to the people on the planet?

Course raze also can mean to scrape, to remove. So that could also be talking about removing the top layers of the city over two stories.

As a side note, Rukil also talks about how all the planet's original oceans were covered over by cityscape killing the flora and the fauna on the planet.

So any oceans that might be seen in the cutscenes on the surface have to be artificial much like the Western Sea on Coruscant, it would seem.

 

Maybe I'm missing what you're referring to Val, but it says: "As the Ebon Hawk blasted off from Taris filled with Republic fugitives, the Sith utterly razed the planet. Canderous stuck with the odd mix of escapees, knowing that more adventures lay in the stars, and that ultimately, a greater role lay ahead for the Mandalorian." when I goto that page.

 

Hmm, I was looking at another source at the time, and thought he was linking to it, and wasn't looking at his particular link, that particular one does say "utterly". But then again Honoghri has been described as being utterly razed before, and it too still exists...

Guess one man's utterly razed, is different than another man's interpretation of razed.

Like Elgrin said, "to the ground", the question is who's interpretation of ground, who's surface?

 

Conjecture: They may have reinitiated the turbo shower after the Hawk blurred to hyper, as a means of "punching bag" counselling.

 

"As a side note, Rukil also talks about how all the planet's original oceans were covered over by cityscape killing the flora and the fauna on the planet."

No, he says how the ocean was polluted by the encroaching city, thus killing off Taris's only food supply, not how the city grew over it.

How many times have you played through KOTOR anyway?

 

This is my first time playing through the game, but the reason I know that the entire city covers Taris is because I recently played through that part of the game, and I even have saves near the point so that I can quote Rukil.

Rukil states in specific terminology, and these are direct quotes I just got from my save file;

"The great city of Taris covers the entire surface of this planet. There is no land to grow food. Kelp harvests and the creatures of the
sea are our only food source. A century ago rising levels of toxic pollution poisoned the oceans and famine swept the planet."

-Rukil

In english language "the entire surface" includes every outward surface, including the the "surface of the oceans", I.E. the surface of the water.

I have to ask when was the last time you played through the game?

This is twice that your information was wrong or incomplete, and I've been forced to have to give you the quotes that prove you wrong.

If you missed it previously, here is the transcript of the first time I had to correct you;

"No, you don't go because Rukil (the old man) says your destiny takes you somewhere else"

He says that as well, but depending on what choice you make, he can also say that those who enter can never go back. I have saves near that point so I can get the exact quote if you like?

"Those who make the journey cannot return - that was the final secret of the Promised Land. When the colony was created it was designed so that people could enter willingly, but they could never leave again. This was to ensure secrecy on the project."

-Rukil

 

"The great city of Taris covers the entire surface of this planet. There is no land to grow food. Kelp harvests and the creatures of the
sea are our only food source. A century ago rising levels of toxic pollution poisoned the oceans and famine swept the planet."

Notice that after Rukil says that "Taris covers the entire surface" that he says there is no land to grow food, thus, the city covers the land. In the sentence after THAT, he says they got their food from the ocean. Using common sense, we can assume logically that the city does not cover the ocean, both because that was their only source of food, and because it's not often that you can build thousand meter tall skyscrapers on water. Also, the oceans are clearly visible on Taris from the Endar Spire's bridge.

Note that the same thing is also said about Coruscant, that the city covers the entire planet, which is just as untrue.

"I have to ask when was the last time you played through the game?"

Two weeks ago on my 8th go at it.

 

"Notice that after Rukil says that "Taris covers the entire surface" that he says there is no land to grow food, thus, the city covers the land. In the sentence after THAT, he says they got their food from the ocean. Using common sense, we can assume logically that the city does not cover the ocean, both because that was their only source of food, and because it's not often that you can build thousand meter tall skyscrapers on water. Also, the oceans are clearly visible on Taris from the Endar Spire's bridge."

So its a matter of your opinion against what he specifically said, that it covers the "entire surface", because you simply don't like the logistics that it creates? You simply want to disagree with his words, eh?

Infact there are plenty of sea creatures, and types of kelp that can exist with little to no light even on earth, as they produce their own nutriants, or take warmth from vents on the sea floor. However they have no resistance against "pollution".

They can even be sources of food. So even if the ocean was covered, as long as it wasn't polluted said types of creatures would still be edible sources of food, even though there are no edible land flora that can exist in a covered environment like that (except for types of Fungi).

"Note that the same thing is also said about Coruscant, that the city covers the entire planet, which is just as untrue."

It does cover the entire surface of the planet because Lucas said so, and he shows it in the movies.

The one ocean that the planet has on the surface, is an artificial "reservoir" to carry water for the planet's populous, this is dicussed in NJO, and in one scene the Falcon even flies under the "Western Sea", and the struts underneath can be seen holding it up. There are supposed to be smaller "reservoirs" around the planet as well.

It's likely that Taris has the same kind of "reservoirs" on the surface to carry their own water supply, much like on Coruscant. Otherwise it wouldn't feasible for people to live on the planet, without having dehydration, and transferring a constant water supply to the planet would be expensive.

 

"It does cover the entire surface of the planet because Lucas said so, and he shows it in the movies.

The one ocean that the planet has on the surface, is an artificial "reservoir" to carry water for the planet's populous, this is dicussed in NJO, and in one scene the Falcon even flies under the "Western Sea", and sees the struts holding it up from beneath."

Don't forget the mountains and the polar regions.

"It's likely that Taris has the same kind of "reservoir" on the surface to carry their own water supply, much like on Coruscant."

Ah, so it's likely that they drain an ocean into underground caverns like they did on Coruscant and remove their only source of food, just for the hell of it?

I'd rather stick with common sense than the word of a hundred year old man those been trapped in morbid poverty barely managing to scratch out an existence under the constant threat of starvation or rakghouls.

 

It was the original oceans that were covered when the "entire surface was covered".

The reservoirs would have been created to give the lower city, and uppercity a water supply. No, they probably didn't have plans to drain it below the city, as it would be intended to be their fresh water supply and putting it underground would probably lead to it being polluted again, like all the other oceans down there.

"Don't forget the mountains and the polar regions."

The actual term used in the EU, and in George Lucas' notes is the "Mountains of the Polar regions", as being the only surface not covered by cityscape yet, as well as being used for Reservoir purposes.

While they have buildings on them, a few steep cliff sides of the mountains can be seen from trenches on the planet's surface.

I've also just looked at the scenes of the Taris surface, the whole planet looks blue so does that mean by your logic that the entire planet is water?

The few times we see past the sky line, all I can see is low lieing clouds...

The only things that look like they might be resevoirs on the surface look very small in comparision to what is cityscape, and the size of the planet. One such possible resoirvoir is a circular thing towards the bottom left of the screen in the view of the planet from the sith fighter battle.

Also remember this is star wars, there are very few things that follow common "earth sense" as earth simply hasn't reached that level of advancement. Also as Lucas puts it, star wars is a fantasy.

However its interesting to note if one looks at the planet during the Sith Fighter battle, one can see only a sliver of the entire city were the pods had crashed from the Endar Spire was all that was being attacked and you can see fires coming up from it, which appears to be only about an 1/8 of the planet's surface. Its the only place where the fleet can be seen massing (with about 15-16 ships), however it appears that the city stretches farther than that area. However the city still looks blue like everything else on the planet, though it looks darker due to fires and smoke coming up from the section.

At this point I know its just your opinion against what was said in the story.

 

Shooting this one "upwards," too. One addendum to mention to the above (re: Coruscant's planetary surface volume) is the "Polar Regions" quote...apart from the polar/Arctic processing facilities, there was a bit of land left untouched in one of the primary plazas adjacent to the Imperial Palace, a remnant of one of the mountain regions where folks could engage in tactile contact with it.

 

The entire planet couldn't have been destroyed, it'd take a thousand ships, more firepower then I've ... [beep][beep][beep]

 

lol. Good one Karrde.

Interesting theory about the lost city of the jedi and the promise land Val. That would indeed be interesting if that were so.

BTW
what happens if you sell out rukil to igear?

 

He takes the Promised Land journals and destroys them.

 

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Feel the Rukil-love in here....

 

i think a better question should be is how you'll able to fly by and rescure your party in your apartment while you're flying on a freighter. Did they jump out the window or somethinng, while lasers are pouring down?!

 

Umm...any point to the up, Leto?

Lando: I assumed you just picked them up under fire, it's nothing that Jedi haven't done plenty of times.

 

why not beaming them into the ship

No treckie stuff, I mean, tracktorbeam pulling them out of the window into the ships airlock!

 

would you trust some of those people to safely operate a tractor beam on a ship they just stole?

so leto, why the bump?
i got all excited because i thought valiento had returned to start a new thread.

 

i think a better question should be is how you'll able to fly by and rescure your party in your apartment while you're flying on a freighter. Did they jump out the window or somethinng, while lasers are pouring down?!

It's game and some things just can't make sense like in KOTOR II where you can choose out of 3 party members on Telos surface and have to leave one behind, though that party member magically appears again when you get to the polar region.

 

have to leave one behind, though that party member magically appears again when you get to the polar region.


that person was simply skulking behind you and hiding offscreen...

 

so leto, why the bump?
i got all excited because i thought valiento had returned to start a new thread.

...What, like *I* can't excite anyone?

But it was for two reasons: (A) to facilitate a bit more discussion on the subject, in the light of Telos's devastation-cum-recovery from the Sithly bombardment; and (B) the thread was about to get slargged by the auto-locker.

(Most of the last discussions fell prior to KOTOR II's Xbox release, and there're now brand new literal and figurative mountains of physical Telosian detail to take into account.)