Senate "Race" Relations (was "U.S. Society and Black Men")

Target is making Juneteenth a company holiday



For all they get wrong, it's nice to see this company get some stuff right.

 

Linked to correct timestamp but for the record 13:50


He defended and joked about the Marikana Massacre. Of course most here don't know what that was, but for the over 30 miners who the police butchered and the 70+ wounded, and their families, anything Trevor Noah says should turn to ash in his mouth. I legit used to like him a lot, but after seeing this and looking at more of his centrist talking points I could not stomach it. I tried a few times but it is just not ok

"those things don't work" "they had to come with ammunition"

https://www.marxist.com/south-africa-aftermath-of-marikana-and-anc.htm

The burden is not nice to have.

 

It's a burden is it?

 

So, by exec order, chokeholds are illegal....

Except.... Wait for it....

Unless an officer's life is at risk.

I can smell the justified cynicism that this changes that much from thousands of miles away.

 

The burden is not nice to

yeah, knowing about people's awful stances is a burden. You think I like knowing that someone I used to find funny has reactionary views towards police brutality?

 

Beautiful painting by Kadir Nelson

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/kadir-nelson-cover-artwork-july-2020-1014011/


(inspired by Eugène Delacroix’s “Liberty Leading the People,”)

 

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local...cer-punching-man-during-a-dispute-at-walmart/

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – A Jacksonville man was arrested Sunday night and charged with battery on a law enforcement officer after a scuffle with an off-duty police officer inside a Northside Walmart.

I'm a broken record at this point, but I'm going to keep saying it: it should not be a special crime to fight against a cop. This should not be a special charge.

 

Imagine if teachers unions had the power that police unions have? I swear solid 50% of our problems in this country would be at least seriously curtailed

 

And if he was, mitigating circumstances of him defending himself against a cop wrongly assaulting him would cause him to have all charges dropped against him. But there are no mitigating circumstances to "battery against a law enforcement officer." The latter is always illegal, which is not how laws should be.

 

Ironically, if all teachers banded together and made the same type of threats police did, they probably could achieve a union that powerful and dictate a lot of changes. But teachers would never allow the students to suffer that much which is why politicians and businesses have been able to successfully exploit teachers and nurses for years. They make the fatal mistake of assuming kindness is weakness.

 

Oh 100%. When my mother trashes teachers unions and flagrantly lies based on things she "just knows" she always frames it in a really sexist way. She gets upset about being disrespected in her tech field, but then will say "those women just want their pensions and they dont even work in the summer" both of which are of course patently false and decrepit things to say. God knows how sexist men think of teachers in those terms. She suddenly regresses to 1950s mentality when it comes to teachers.

I think it is just so ingrained. I think lies white people tell themselves about truancy and teachers "not straightening these inner city kids out" also assist in this. The classism and racism cannot be understated, we moved to a rich area and got sent to a bourgeois school, your stereotypical western PA football obsessed school district. So for my parents it is unfathomable that people cannot afford charter like we did for the rest of our education, or move to a better district; let alone that urban schools are so underfunded, and super rural schools are the same way.

The middle class is the only group that gets to profit from our school system on a semi-consistent basis as far as I understand the issue

 

Very interesting. I wonder if these numbers will hold:



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...er-photo-op-defining-moment-trump/5317621002/

 

Nobody should. When you have an answer to everything, you have stopped listening.

 

That's nonsensical lol come on

 

How often is your answer "I'm wrong"?

 

How often do people try to make things about me and not the topic?

My statement was that Trevor Noah's centrist views about police do not fit today's reality. Motivate completely ignored what I said and made a personal snipe at me, which I should have ignored but The Art of Picking Your Battles isn't a book in my library.

So, with than in mind, do you want to actually discuss the topic? Or do you want to continue Motivate's inane commentary about me, completely unrelated to the thread or topic. The choice is yours.

 

I wish the authorities would look at the way cops subdue potential ‘perpetrators’ in the same way as they look at police pursuits. Is it really a matter of life or death if somebody who is apprehended in the course of committing a misdemeanour escapes police custody? If they just let Brooks get away was there a grave risk to the community? The authorities have generally accepted that police pursuits represent a greater risk to the community and are therefore unacceptable. I’m not sure why police persisting in physically subduing a suspect at all costs, including the death of the suspect, is treated any differently.

 

This may be the southern Californian in me.... but I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Aside from being televised in a way that other police interactions aren't, they don't exactly give up on those, either.

 

Don’t they? Ok well there you go, just ignore what I said then. I was labouring under a misapprehension.

 

Nope, Los Angeles in particular they're their own sort of phenomenon, and I'm gonna bet that at least some of the other people from LA can remember some of their favorite live car chases as far as exciting TV goes (most of the televised ones don't end in crashes), but it looks like the numbers are around 400 deaths per year, per a fairly reputable source: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article226512455.html

And a better breakdown of data, but from a law firm, looks at 2014-2018: https://www.thefinelawfirm.com/people-killed-in-police-chases/

They've got it at just a hair over 2000 people killed during chases in 5 years, with 840 being bystanders, mostly in other cars. I believe, that none of the sites that look at those killed by police include these, but there may be a few that overlap if someone is killed by the car an officer is driving, specifically. But not many.

Actually, tangentially, going back to the LA riots, the Rodney King beating was at the end of a high speed car chase that took place in 1991 over drunk driving. One can jump all the way to 2015 and Southern California, where sheriffs were involved in a 2 1/2 hour chase after they tried to serve someone with a search warrant. At the end of that car/horse chase, which was being broadcast live by a news helicopter, it ended in him being beaten by officers as well. Of the like, 9 officers involved at some point in that, I believe one was found guilty and two took plea deals. I think I've seen people suggest that the chases may play a role in the beatings that follow.