Revan's secret identity?

I think that the vision was either wrong (always in motion the future is), or they misinterpreted it. If it is right, it is probably about Alek, not Zayne or the padawans.

 

As long as Zayne does not die as a dark sider, I will be happy.

 

Despite a lot of people's certainties, I still think Zayne has a great shot at turning to the darkside, not because of what the vision showed, but because of how the Covenant handled it. JJM's exact words in the Insider#97 are this...

Consumed by his revenge quest against those who framed him, Zayne has leapt from the frying pan into the fire.

Miller has been promising a confrontation that Zayne has been wanting-and fearing-for a long time, and that the series "will never be the same" in the aftermath. "Saber's will clash!"

Describing Zayne as "consumed by his revenge" and him "wanting" and "fearing" to fight Raana Tey. And him saying that the series "will never be the same" definately leaves the door open for Zayne to go the dark route. I know all the super Zayne "wouldn't hurt a fly" crowd might disagree, but in all Zayne's greatness and his good intentions, he still has that darkside in him that we've seen glimpses of. If he gets around, let's say, a more persuasive Jedi or Sith, who knows how he might react. Anakin wasn't always a d**k.

 

I have a feeling that the writers are gearing up for some sort of suprise similar to the one in the game. I also think that they are two sharp to have the vision simply be a mistake by all of the Masters. Zayne has a part to play and it probably has something to do with the vision.

 

I'd count the Zayne=Revan theory out, though. There'd have to of been a lot of mind-wiped people for that to come true

 

*cough*Darth Nihilus*cough*

It's a theory that has been out there since near the start of KotOR's run, yet there are still folks that keep saying "noooo!"... despite the evidence that points towards it.

Both he and the Exile are said to have special relationships to the Force

The Exile easily forms Force bonds

Vandar comments on how quicky Zayne "forms kinships".

According to Chris Avellone, Nihilus is the "other half" of the Exile - what she would have become had she taken a different path at Malachor.

One assumes, therefore, that Nihilus and the Exile were Jedi with similar abilities

There are too many similarities between Zayne and the Exile for it to be a coincidence... and Nihilus and the Exile were always concieved as being two halves of the same coin.

Those who despair and shout, "No, that's bad because it means the Covenant were right! It justifies their actions!" seem to be missing the point. Whilst it means their interpretation of their "Destroyer of Worlds" vision was right (though I think it's a little more multi-layered), it makes their actions all the more inexcusable - since they'd be the ones responsible for the vision coming to pass.

You know, kinda like how Zayne foreshadowed at the end of Commencement.

(Wait, what am I doing here? How dare this board keep me away from Mass Effect!)

 

I've said the Nihilus/Zayne thing before, but people must know JJM personally because they seem to think it's not gonna happen. They say it would be bad storytelling and it's not in Zayne's character. Well, it's not bad storytelling if you, I don't know, make him a very well liked character(which is weird in the sense that most people seemed more interested in the Covenant and Gryph at the start of the series, now they're all in love with Zayne). But anyways, if you make him a character that you sympathize with, only to turn him into what seems like a heartless monster that you might either love to hate or feel sorry for. Not only that, Nihilus is an interesting character that we don't really know much about, because the 2nd game cut a lot out and focused more on the Exile and Sion's relationship with Kreia, that all we really know about him is in what Visa and Kreia briefly tells us. I think, if done right, you can turn the biggest skeptic into a true believer.

But if Zayne ever does become someone like Nihilus, I'm sure it would be the end of Zayne's run as a main character and turn over the reigns to the Exile. It would be like the movies. You have a character that starts off the hero(Anakin & Zayne), then turn into the villain(Vader & Nihilus). Then comes along the true hero(Luke & Exile), who not only goes down the same path, but does what their predecessors couldn't and resists the temptations of the darkside, and saves the galaxy, for now...I mean, if there was never the Original Trilogy to go by, who would of expected Anakin to fall to the darkside after the first movie? Most of us would of considered this one of those typical Disney "and they all lived happilly ever after, THE END" type of movies.

Look, I'm not saying he's going to be Nihilus. I'm not even saying he's gonna fall to the darkside. Just that there's 2 kinds of Jedi in this era. Those who die and those who join the darkside and die. So if you're 100% expecting Zayne to "live happilly ever after in a galaxy far, far away", don't be suprised if he's holding a red lightsaber and killing Jedi. You might want to hope for a third option. And that's the memo...

 

I think Nihilus is like this gigantic Twenty Foot Tall Elephant people are pointing at while there's a Tiger right behind them.

You've got Alek, most likely Malak in the red jumper and all sorts of potential evil.

And you've got a prophecy about a guy who destroys worlds and is in a Red Jumper.

Malak destroyed Telos IV and Tarsis.

Am I the only guy with this interpretation?

 

-What's so cool in yor opinion about him? I thought Treyla/Krela was cool because of her twisted philosophy and her plans of doing somethig to the force directly..The whole life sucking Bcrap from Nihlus seems sketchy at best IMO...
-I'm interested in hearing more about him though. I'm easily convinced if it sounds cool..

 

The cool thing, to me, about Nihilus was not only his looks, but the complexity of him. They never really touched on the specifics of how he came to be like that. I mean, he is different from most of the other Sith in all of Star Wars. I think if done right, it could be a very interesting story. It would make sense to me to make it more like a very rare to almost non-existent disease, rather than a power. Something that if was to infect an unstable or inexperienced force user to the point the worse it got, the harder it becomes to control, that it could become catastrophic. But it goes the other way too. If the story isn't done right, it could be down right ridiculous. Same way with Zayne becoming Revan. That would be something I'm almost totally against, but I still think that if it was done right, I wouldn't mind it. There's still a lot that would need to be explained if it were to happen, so that's why I find the likelyhood of it actually coming to fruition rather unlikely.

 

I always think Zayne's personality is too good to become a true villain. Unlike Anakin, Zayne isn't a power hunger nor always having negative feelings or having high hope for himself. He is more a innocent type like Luke. So, even he gives into his anger or turned to the dark side, he will eventually go back to the light.

I really hope that he won't become Nihilus who is totally a bad guy.

 

I've considered that before too.

I've always been very curious about the scene in KOTOR #0 where I believe it was the Miraluka seer collapsed, muttering "paths have crossed" (or words to that effect) while Lucien is speaking with the Revanchist and in the background of the scene you can see Zayne talking to Alek.

I've always felt that scene will come back to mean something deeper later on. Something along the lines of the vision of the "destroyer of worlds" happening when it did because of Lucien meeting the Revanchist and/or Zayne meeting Alek. If nothing else, it's always struck me as a sign the vision is at the very least in some way related to the Revanchist and Alek.

 

Nope, it's Evan Hood, the Revanchist Leader, who became Darth Revan, who got memory-wiped and then redeemed himself as Rev Antilles.

 

It's because when Nihilus has nothing to feed on, he consumes himself. Or that's the way Kreia explained it.

 

In some ways, that's sort of what I'm getting at when I said I believed it to be "multi-layered".

The Covenant are pointing at what they think is an Elephant (Zayne), whilst the Tiger (Alek) is behind them. In doing so, they actually (and, more tragically, unneccessarily) CREATE the Elephant (starting Zayne on the path to becoming Nihilus) - a threat even GREATER than the one they prophesised (which was just Malak).

(At the end of the day, the Prophecy is good because it's vague and could refer to just Malak, Malak AND Nihilus, or just Nihilus - though I tend to think it is one of the former two.)

I'm quite sure you're right about that line taking on greater significance as we learn more.

 

Ah . . . the part about Nilly being a threat. The dude they said you can't win fighting with the Force, but still did anyway, what exactly was threatening about him?

 

Basically just the hockey mask.

 

If there's one reason I want Zayne (or someone!) to become Nihilus it's simply because I want the character given the credit I always felt he deserved. KOTOR2 did a terrible job of creating what was possibly one of the most powerful Sith Lords we've ever seen and doing it in such a poor fashion that nobody really cares to remember him.

The guy can eat planets! Then they went and made fighting him a joke...

Nihilus seriously needs some love.

 

Or maybe Nihilus just never was one of the most powerful Sith Lords we've ever seen... particularly given how easily he's taken down in the story he was created for. Strikes me as being an overblown threat who was only a threat because there was no one else there to deal with him but the Exile. Had the Jedi been prepared Nihilus would have been a nobody, just like Sion.

Zayne isn't becoming a Sith. People are onto things when they say the prophecy had to do with Alek, because it was he that Zayne was with when "paths crossed."

Besides, I tend to think perhaps it is Lucien who is more likely to become a Sith... and if that were the case, and many speculate he is to become Sion, why would he join forced with a Zayne/Nihilus when the previously were out to get each other? Doesn't make much sense at all.

 

Personally I don't really know how to reconcile him not being powerful with the ability to consume all life on an entire planet. The problem wasn't so much that he wasn't intended to be that powerful, it's that the execution of the game was terrible because it was rushed out to release. The man seemed far better in the unfinished material that has since been restored and is at least viewable, albeit not officially canon. Sion and Traya were barely any stronger, it just seemed so anti climactic with Nihilus in particular because he had been built up like this dark side god then only had a few minutes of true screen time. What always seems to get forgotten is off screen Nihilus destroyed the Jedi Order and was the whole reason the few left were in hiding. He, arguably, did more damage to the Jedi Order itself than Revan, as Revan just split it in two, Nihilus destroyed it. Just... we never saw any of that. All the good stuff was left out. They should really make a KOTOR1.5 someday.

However, the execution shouldn't belittle the man's power, just people seem to want to treat him as a light weight simply because the story was poorly executed. That strikes me as unusual with Star Wars canon as normally everyone gives even the most remote source material the same standing as everything else provided its canon. Nihilus though we just all seem to treat as weak simply because his appearance in the game turned out to be lame. We shouldn't really just be going "lame = weak" though.

At least, if the fact Nihilus's apperance is enough to say he wasn't powerful, there's a big list of other "powerful" darksiders I'd like to see toned down a bit because there are quite a lot I find considerably lamer than Nihilus.

 

"To be united by hatred is such a fragile alliance at best."

Kreia's words about the Sith Triumvate.

 

Maybe the game difficulty needed to be turned up? It wouldn't of been much of a game if you couldn't of beat him. It's like using a God Mode cheat and giving it to PC characters. Secondly, you kind of have to take the game at face value. If there was a true story to go by(like a novel or comic), I'm sure he wouldn't of been such a pushover. Lastly, it was 3 on 1 with 2 force sensitives and a bada** mando' warrior, which kind of puts him at a disadvantage.

 

I suspect that Zayne is a force powerhouse. Although the Taris masters said his connection to the force was negligible I think this was in an era before midi counts and Zaynes complete lack of confidence has been holding him back. I suspect that if the Taris masters came across an infant Ben Skywalker (when he was withdrawn from the force) they would also think that his connection to the force was negligible.

However Zayne isn?t Revan, the Revanchist leader is Revan (although I don?t think this is his real name) & Alek is blatantly Malek (I think the new essential guide to the force has confirmed this).

The prophecy the Taris masters made was also blatantly about Malek.

As for Zayne I suppose he could become the lord of hunger & maybe Jarael (his other half, wink, wink) could become the jedi exile.

Unlikely due to in universe time constraints, but you never know